Baby Ace
Standard passive 4-8 game.
4 limps, hero completes in SB with Ad5d, BB checks. 6 players.
Flop Ac 7c 2c
Hero checks, checks to button who bets. Hero?
Raise pre!
call
raise pre
Honestly I might just fold. 7 to 1. No kicker no club no position. Meh
Where is this game? My local 4/8 game is not like this.
I CR the flop just for fun. No way I raise pre. BTN could have K/Q of clubs, if he has an A he freezes.
Curious about the first two replies advising to raise pre. In late position ok, but why raise it from the worst position?
MR Killians was drunk posting last night. Sober me probably also raises pre.
The flop CR may have some merit if BTN has a better ace or a naked high club. If it gets callers behind or 3! pretty done with the hand. I think its a raise or fold situation after the flop BTN bet tbh, maybe more towards the fold.
Curious about the first two replies advising to raise pre. In late position ok, but why raise it from the worst position?
A5s is an equity hog and you can continue with it a ton. There are also a lot of flops where you can ditch it super easily. As long as you don’t cbet every flop or treat it like it is AK on Axx flops, raising is really quite profitable.
As played, I agree with checking and I would start by calling the flop. I wouldn’t fault you for folding, but as long as you don’t raise I think it’s hard to go wrong.
raising pre is for value
This was my exact reaction, meh. With several people still to act behind me I threw it away knowing full well no other player at the table lays down an A there.
Now, had I raised pre, I think it plays out differently as I have to at least call the flop if not lead out.
Ran A5s through an equity calculator and see the result. From what I saw it appears that A4s-A2s is probably a call while A5s+ is a raise from SB?
As it played out button bet both the turn and river bricks. Button had A3o while MP flopped top two with A7o, no club for either. There was 1-2 other callers on the flop and turn.
If button is a standard 4/8 player, and not someone who bets his button every time it's checked to him, this is an easy fold on the flop.
Curious about the first two replies advising to raise pre. In late position ok, but why raise it from the worst position?
Because your getting the best of it with 6 people, your suited aces will win more 17% of the time. Actually surprised anyone questioned the comment about raising pre. and if original raiser 3bets, if they all call, you should be capping. Izmet Fekali and Skalansky had a debate about this a decade ago...and yes i've been here that long lmao! DEAD.MONEY. used to be my name.
You cant fold on flop to button raise with top pair even with shitty kicker. He could be trying for a free card on turn. Or betting cause it was checked around to him. Seem MUBSY to assume he has flush already.
You cant fold on flop to button raise with top pair even with shitty kicker. He could be trying for a free card on turn. Or betting cause it was checked around to him. Seem MUBSY to assume he has flush already.
No one is assume he has the flush. But there's a good chance of it will come in, and hero is not usually ahead here anyway.
No one is assume he has the flush. But there's a good chance of it will come in, and hero is not usually ahead here anyway.
You say hero is not usually ahead here? So you're not ASSSUMING (not assume, lol) there is a flush out there you're assuming someone limped with a better Ace. Hell, it's MUBSY to assume someone has a better Ace here? Just curious what's the odds of the flush coming in...and NO, i'm not going to do the math, to lazy, lmao....someone else calc .
You say hero is not usually ahead here? So you're not ASSSUMING (not assume, lol) there is a flush out there you're assuming someone limped with a better Ace. Hell, it's MUBSY to assume someone has a better Ace here? Just curious what's the odds of the flush coming in...and NO, i'm not going to do the math, to lazy, lmao....someone else calc .
Someone could have the flush, someone could have a better ace. Someone could have two pair or a set.
With all those things together, hero usually doesn't have the best hand.
Also, it's not a big pot, hero has the worst position, and this is a RIO situation. When he is again, he will often get outdrawn, and his chances of improving are extremely low.
In this example, hero was behind and had about a 3% chance to win. I don't think this was at all unusual.
Someone could have the flush, someone could have a better ace. Someone could have two pair or a set.With all those things together, hero usually doesn't have the best hand. Also, it's not a big pot, hero has the worst position, and this is a RIO situation. When he is again, he will often get outdrawn, and his chances of improving are extremely low.In this example, hero was be
LMAO!!! (Someone could have the flush, someone could have a better ace. Someone could have two pair or a set) someone could have a set? Someone can ALWAYS have a set! you reaching for straws my friend. Seems extremely MUBSY to fold top pair, even on this board, to a button raise. And didn't you just write that no one was assuming there was a flush out there.....so now you are? So apparently you're only playing A5s to make a flush? Because someone always has a better ace? HELL if the board was rainbow, giving your logic, we should be folding to a button raise????? because someone might have a better ace?
There was no button raise, it was checked to the button who bet.
In this particular game, most of the players are very transparent. When button bets on this board he has one of three things. An ace, a flush, or the Kc. Totally different from a 20/40 game. And that's not even factoring in the other four players left to act behind me.
To me, there's just much better spots in this game. No reason to go to war with $2 max in EV after rake.
Someone could have the flush, someone could have a better ace. Someone could have two pair or a set.With all those things together, hero usually doesn't have the best hand. Also, it's not a big pot, hero has the worst position, and this is a RIO situation. When he is again, he will often get outdrawn, and his chances of improving are extremely low.In this example, hero was be
Yeah on reflection I think this is a fold on the flop. It’s a smallish pot, your hand is deceptively weak, and you have terrible RIO. I think it’s probably correct to fold even at higher stakes, since you will find yourself getting whipsawed so much more often.
LMAO!!! (Someone could have the flush, someone could have a better ace. Someone could have two pair or a set) someone could have a set? Someone can ALWAYS have a set! you reaching for straws my friend. Seems extremely MUBSY to fold top pair, even on this board, to a button raise. And didn't you just write that no one was assuming there was a flush out there.....so now you are
Try using some logic here. I'm still not assuming he has a flush, I'm saying that's one of his possible hands, most of which hero is way behind. This is a sport where hero is way behind or just barely ahead, in worst position. Your other scenarios are different so I would give different advice. People are much less likely to bet strong hands on a monotone flop. Betting here shows a lot of strength; in this case even the guy with top 2 pair didn't bet.
Try using some logic here. I'm still not assuming he has a flush, I'm saying that's one of his possible hands, most of which hero is way behind. This is a sport where hero is way behind or just barely ahead, in worst position. Your other scenarios are different so I would give different advice. People are much less likely to bet strong hands on a monotone flop.
Not when the bet is coming from the button. And whoever had top two and didn't raise the buttons raise is losing money.
There was no button raise, it was checked to the button who bet.In this particular game, most of the players are very transparent. When button bets on this board he has one of three things. An ace, a flush, or the Kc. Totally different from a 20/40 game. And that's not even factoring in the other four players left to act behind me.To me, there's just much better spots in th
LMAO!!! ok he bet instead of raising....semantics. Even if your read on the guy was dead perfect, your ahead of his Kc, Might be ahead of his Ax. As for the others to act behind...YES if people start raising and reraising then yea when it gets back to you FOLD. lol...but you can't fold to the buttons BET in this situation. IMO.
6 to the flop = 24
rake is 7
button BET + pot = 21
I think the $21 is worth a $4 call in this spot, once again if betting goes crazy behind you, yea you have to fold.
You say this is a spot where hero is way behind or barely ahead. But, there is about a 1 in 5 chance a club falls by river. I wouldn't call that barely ahead. The fact that Hero was behind to top2 isn't unusual no, but you don't know that given the action. When you play weak suited Aces of course you have to take into consideration that someone might have a better Ace. And so if you do hit an Ace on the flop, you play it carefully and fold to most people showing aggression. But you dont fold it to a button BET, thats just MUBSY.
Just FYI...the odds that he flopped the flush are 0.8%
Was thinking last night. Can you find a raise here? It would be huge if you got the two pair hand to fold.
