Give me heart, make a wheel, or let's forget about it.
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Hero is dealt A2hh in the BB. Folds to HJ who limps. CO, BTN and SB also limp, hero checks
Pot: $25
Flop: 3h 4h Qc
SB checks, hero checks. HJ shoves 1400. CO calls his remaining 300. BTN and SB fold. Hero covers. Call or fold?
Villian (HJ) just sat down a few hands earlier, so we don't have a read other than the fact that after he shoved he said, "If you would like to call me, baby, just go ahead. And if you would like fold then maybe..." at which point his head down and stopped talking.
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um... we are probably never calling 1400 when we invested 0 in this game.
Maybe it's a +ev to call because co calls for shorter.
But it all depends if you are in mood to gamble.
If you got the money to gamble, by all means go ahead.
5+hearts = 13 outs.
But if CO took some of your outs then you'll be in pain vs HJ.
We need ~45% and if we model this vs. HJ with zero bluffs, I think we have closer to 44%:
http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 4h3hQc
Equity Win Tie
MP2 44.10% 43.92% 0.18% { Ah2h }
MP3 55.90% 55.72% 0.18% { QQ+, 44-33, AQs, 43s, 6h5h, AQo }
Werebeer covered the Equity pretty well and that's with 0 bluffs. I'd guess most villain's who shove 60xx have a bluff even if it's a small percent. Or you can at least include 67hh KJhh a % of the time. A straight up complete air bluff would be rather nuts.
If you brought a lot of money and don't mind a coinflip Equity wise it's probably worthwhile especially if you generally play tight and can give yourself a looser image by making the call.
And you don't tilt at all if you lose. Given how close it is those factors are actually pretty important considerations I think.
Liked the title a lot.
I’m just boring, so I would fold though I think you are probably a favorite over a lot of his range. My guess is he’s got 2pair, knows he’s vulnerable to a bad runout, but likes his chances pushing while ahead.
It’s usually a bad idea to call an all-in bet anyway, but without a made hand seems unnecessary risky. The CO call insures you will see villain’s hand at showdown. I think this is the time to gather information. Now, you will have a read on villain & still have 1400 in the stack.
Yeah, if the other stacks were equal, it would be an easy call.
Is there a bad beat jackpot? How high is it? If it is $400K and the loser gets 40%, that would be $160K. If the bigger stack has 76s 5% of the time, the 5h comes 4% of the time, so 0.2%. 0.2% of $160K is $320. That would be enough to make this a call.
Man, it's a hot one...
I assume you are against a set or 6h5h here. I think I would just fold. Certainly a call for less money though.
Thread was invented to cite #1 songs from the 90s? Did V have two princes (JJ)? Don't think we can call this but it's a real Yolo spot for sure.
Seriously, it could be a call for bad beat equity, because you would have the lower straight flush.
We need ~45% and if we model this vs. HJ with zero bluffs, I think we have closer to 44%:
http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: 4h3hQc
Equity Win Tie
MP2 44.10% 43.92% 0.18% { Ah2h }
MP3 55.90% 55.72% 0.18% { QQ+, 44-33, AQs, 43s, 6h5h, AQo }
But would he really make that play with a set? Maybe since hearts are out there. The other hands seem more likely. Maybe he limped Q3/Q4s or just went crazy with KQhh? I was having trouble getting a read, so I stood up from the table, looked him in the eyes, and I took a deep breath and said "I got ace high" and I screamed at the top of my lungs "What do you got?"
I don't think screaming at the top of your lungs is acceptable. Just tell him you have ace-high and see how he reacts.
If you think he doesn't have a set, it is a call. You have odds against 2-pair and are way ahead of combo draws. He needs to be limping in with junk to have 2-pair.
The ole 68x pot shove OTF…. I do that about twice a session.
That would be ridiculous. This is only a 56x shove.
Such a standard hand, obviously.
I bet that flop five ways, if for no other reason to increase my pot odds for the inevitable massive overjam.
That's such a FOSy bet — ****, your Ace could be good — but damn, flipping for $1400 was probably not on your bingo card today.
Call and run seven inches from the midday sun.
I don't think screaming at the top of your lungs is acceptable. Just tell him you have ace-high and see how he reacts.
If you think he doesn't have a set, it is a call. You have odds against 2-pair and are way ahead of combo draws. He needs to be limping in with junk to have 2-pair.
Agreed. It was a bad look. I usually don't get so emotional, but it was for a lot of money, and I got carried away. Anyway, I just don't want to fold to a donkey when I don't think that he has a hand. If players are meant to go broke then aces are meant to be cracked ... Not that he had aces (probably in his range), but whatever it was, I had outs.
I think his most likely hands are smaller flush draws with a pair or straight draw. We can discount sets. We should probably be calling, especially if we can top up to 3k if he wins.
You come here with a thread title like this you better have called
I really wish he had a little less money. I desperately want to call him regardless. LOL. I'm worried CO has some of our outs, but I really hope HJ is the one with K-high hearts.
Can you rebuy? Would it tilt you to lose? (These matter a lot.) How much are you in for? How much do you have? If I'm in for $500 and have $2, 000 in front of me, I probably snap call 😉
Screaming is a weird reaction. Did he react to it? Can't wait to see what they have.
I did. My first thought was "I would call any kind of shove, but I won't call that." But then I was feeling good about it and said to myself that today is gonna be the day that I'm gonna stack a massive spew. Right then is when I realized what it is that I had to do. I don't believe that anybody felt the way I did about the call. He had aces, CO had a set. I hit my flush on the turn, but the board paired and CO won the main. Someone at the table asked him why he bet so much. He told them how his aces were always getting cracked and that he'd rather just take down the pot than let someone suck out. Said he used to bet a little, but a little wouldn't do it, so a little got more and more. He just kept trying to bet a little bigger -- a little bigger than before. But as he found out, even shoving nearly 300bbs into a limped pot didn't work. Whether or not someone is going to call is something unpredictable, but in the end they might. I hope he had the time of his life.
Wow, so he presumably open limped AA from HJ playing for a limp/3!. I guess it sort of makes sense, because he was trying to build the pot or take it down preflop. So he was still afraid to play AA postflop when it wound up a limped pot.
I guess a 50x pot or whatever shove indicates a fish, so more reason to call. Very EV- with AA. Assumed he had a bigger made hand or a combo draw.
I did. My first thought was "I would call any kind of shove, but I won't call that." But then I was feeling good about it and said to myself that today is gonna be the day that I'm gonna stack a massive spew. Right then is when I realized what it is that I had to do. I don't believe that anybody felt the way I did about the call. He had aces, CO had a set. I hit my flush on the
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