Baby Ace
Standard passive 4-8 game.
4 limps, hero completes in SB with Ad5d, BB checks. 6 players.
Flop Ac 7c 2c
Hero checks, chec
You say this is a spot where hero is way behind or barely ahead. But, there is about a 1 in 5 chance a club falls by river. I wouldn't call that barely ahead. The fact that Hero was behind to top2 isn't unusual no, but you don't know that given the action. When you play weak suited Aces of course you have to take into consideration that someone might have a better Ace. And s
I think you need to double check your math there.
So there is a less than 1% chance someone flopped the flush. Using the 4/2 rule...he has a 36% chance of hitting a club by river (9 clubs left -- 3 on board 1 in guys hand --- do you think its realistic to think that no one else is holding a club 6 handed? maybe that number should be more like 7 clubs left, but anyway) but they are still dogs to top pair and ESPECIALLY TOP2! Rob you wanna flip a coin with me? You take heads I take tails and the coin is magic it lands on heads 36% of the time and tails 64% LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you the one that advised someone to fold their set a while back and the opps both had two pair? Can't remember who was giving that advice just remember how bad I thought it was.
You say hero is not usually ahead here? So you're not ASSSUMING (not assume, lol) there is a flush out there you're assuming someone limped with a better Ace. Hell, it's MUBSY to assume someone has a better Ace here? Just curious what's the odds of the flush coming in...and NO, i'm not going to do the math, to lazy, lmao....someone else calc .
Someone could have the flush, someo
A fun thought experiment would be... PF raise, CR the flop and the guy with TP folds....but yea, its 4/8. Threading the needle with fancy play.....nah.
So there is a less than 1% chance someone flopped the flush. Using the 4/2 rule...he has a 36% chance of hitting a club by river (9 clubs left -- 3 on board 1 in guys hand --- do you think its realistic to think that no one else is holding a club 6 handed? maybe that number should be more like 7 clubs left, but anyway) but they are still dogs to top pair and ESPECIALLY TOP2!
Hey, this is actually correct! And it's a lot more than 1 in 5.
Of course someone with a flush draw is a dog to someone with top two pair. But you know who is an even bigger dog? Someone with top pair and a low kicker.
I'll pass on the coin toss. I prefer to stick with LHE, the game that pays my bills.
Hey, this is actually correct! And it's a lot more than 1 in 5.
Of course someone with a flush draw is a dog to someone with top two pair. But you know who is an even bigger dog? Someone with top pair and a low kicker.
I'll pass on the coin toss. I prefer to stick with LHE, the game that pays my bills.
LMAO!!! ROB, you're a pro? So when the button BET, we should fold, not because of the 3 clubs on the flop, but because when the button bets we KNOW, somehow, that he has top two? So I guess when playing a weak suited ace, and we flop top pair, we should be folding to ANY aggression? if someone bets we should be folding? Seems MUBSY to me, but then again you're the................pro? LMAO!
A fun thought experiment would be... PF raise, CR the flop and the guy with TP folds....but yea, its 4/8. Threading the needle with fancy play.....nah.
Yea but if the guy with top two is as afraid of the 3 clubs as Rob is....a CR is really strong and if we can get him to fold thats HUGE!
Yea but if the guy with top two is as afraid of the 3 clubs as Rob is....a CR is really strong and if we can get him to fold thats HUGE!
It would be huge, if that's possible. This is where knowing the players and tendencies in a small pool of players is helpful.
If I were going to C/R this it would definitely be on the turn. Turn C/R's in this game sets off all sorts of alarm bells and there are some that will lay down monsters. Recently a player laid down top two(AT) on the river after not hitting his four outer after my turn C/R with a flush in a huge pot.
But this is 4/8, many players won't lay down top pair for any reason let alone two. If I was going to continue with this hand a raise was necessary IMO. But at the time this was a simple value bet relentlessly type of game. Was never going to force anybody off a hand.
Because of such, it was an easy fold.
i can get on board with folding the flop, but i would have raised pf in this spot so in that case i would have to c/c the flop b/c it would be bloated. guess i would have lost more than OP.
It would be huge, if that's possible. This is where knowing the players and tendencies in a small pool of players is helpful. If I were going to C/R this it would definitely be on the turn. Turn C/R's in this game sets off all sorts of alarm bells and there are some that will lay down monsters. Recently a player laid down top two(AT) on the river after not hitting his four o
LMAO!!!!!!! aren't we laying down top pair to a button bet? But I understand you have a bunch of calling stations. But why and EASY fold? We have top pair, there is less than a 1% change some flopped a flush, only a 36% chance that the 4th club comes and only a 38% chance that someone else in hand has an Ace ( I googled it -- lol). Once again, in this spot folding to the buttons BET just seems to mubsy.
LMAO!!! ROB, you're a pro? So when the button BET, we should fold, not because of the 3 clubs on the flop, but because when the button bets we KNOW, somehow, that he has top two? So I guess when playing a weak suited ace, and we flop top pair, we should be folding to ANY aggression? if someone bets we should be folding? Seems MUBSY to me, but then again you're the..............
No, I didn't say we know what he has, and we shouldn't always be folding to any aggression. We're talking about a specific hand here, not in general.
Yes, I am a pro, have played and won at every limit between 1/2 and 40/80 over 20 years. And you're the guy who plays 4/8 and doesn't keep records to know whether or not he's a winning player.
No, I didn't say we know what he has, and we shouldn't always be folding to any aggression. We're talking about a specific hand here, not in general.
Yes, I am a pro, have played and won at every limit between 1/2 and 40/80 over 20 years. And you're the guy who plays 4/8 and doesn't keep records to know whether or not he's a winning player.
LMAO!!!! ummmm aren't we always talking about a specific hand? lol. Wont go back thru everything, but i think I made my point. Just curious, where are they spreading 1/2 limit? So you've been keeping records for over 20 years? I don't believe that you've been writing down the results of EVERY session for over 20yrs. I also don't believe you NEED to keep records to know rather or not ur winning LMAO!!!! I mean wouldn't the fact that your bankroll is growing or that you have extra cash to spend be some kind of clue? Yes, I'm a lowly 4/8 player who seems to understand the reality of this spot better than you? LMAO!
I was speaking of a specific hands, but your previous post implied I recommended a particular action in any hands that meet some criteria. That's ok though, I'm pretty sure people can figure how who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.
They had 1/2 limit in Atlantic City the first time I played poker in a casino, in 2004.
And of course I made a record of every poker session I ever played since then. My bankroll doesn't show anything, because I take money from it all the time to pay my bills.
It's amazing how you show something else that you don't know with every post you make.
i can get on board with folding the flop, but i would have raised pf in this spot so in that case i would have to c/c the flop b/c it would be bloated. guess i would have lost more than OP.
After reading all the responses I think this perfectly summarizes the hand. As played I feel good about the fold.
I was speaking of a specific hands, but your previous post implied I recommended a particular action in any hands that meet some criteria. That's ok though, I'm pretty sure people can figure how who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. They had 1/2 limit in Atlantic City the first time I played poker in a casino, in 2004.
LMAO!!!!!!! EVERY session for over 20yrs LMAO!!!! yea ok. And if you can afford to pay your bills out of your bankroll and have been doing so for some time..... WOULDN"T THAT INDICATE YOU ARE WINNING? LMAO! Thank you Rob, haven't laughed this much in a while LMAO!!!
(ntnBO) -- As for folding on the flop...you saw the %s in my previous post. If you're saying that your read on the button is so good that you can fold top pair when he bets because you KNOW he has top2 or better ... so be it. Getting a lil bored with this hand.
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