Turn Spot SPR 1.4

Played very little 5c but I think we pot get it in. Is calling QJT wo clubs and 2 people behind a thing for someone like this? Seems like he will be much more clubs heavy

Don’t think he’s calling QJT no clubs but he’s peeling QT with a non nut fd.

Yea that's fine, we're not that deep and need to not give a free card to clubs and we still have decent equity if he did hit

It's close but I think we just have to jam given what's in the pot at this point.

We are in this hard spot because we are betting too much in a multiway pot. We can either lead for 25-50% or check with intentions of check raising. When we pot we find ourselves in these awkward turn spots. Bet smaller in multiway pots. I would have preferred to check raise this hand in particular due to hand properties and would have led with a hand that has club/straight draw blockers.

Why would we attempt to cr flop in a 4 way pot with only 1 player left to act behind us? Betting flop is the only play, sizing is the only thing we can consider adjusting. I like potting here, betting 25% seems awful, 50% is OK, still a ton of good turns for our hand but turn/river sizing will be a bit awkward

So then our checking range is protected now if it checks thru.

Just because it checks thru doesn’t mean our plan failed. We have no draws outside boat outs and no relevant blockers. Perfect hand to protect our range with.

"Protect our range" is just a fancy phrase for being deceptive with strong hands so we can get cheap SD for our med strength hands. If we're going to protect our range it would be by opening more than 4% of hands pf and then we would actually have a range that needs protection. When we are pfr 4% our range smashes this board nearly 100% and we need to protect our equity more than we need to protect a part of our range that doesn't exist. I do agree we can consider B50 tho

It’s also so we have the nuts in all lines. If we always bet our sets we can just never have the nuts in check lines

Under 70bb deep in a 4 way pot with only 1 player to act behind us checking is FPS unless V way over stabs these spots. We dont need to be balanced in every spot in 99% of the poker line ups that exist. And if we were concerned with being balanced and hard to read we should start by opening up our pfr not taking fancy check lines simply for the sake of "having the nuts in our checking range"

Again, the issue is we just have a hand that has reverse blockers (no FD or SD blockers), and we also block our own outs to a boat while being in a multi-way pot.

You can pot if you want, just like you can with hands like nut straights with no redraws, but the problem is we run into too many turns where we don’t know what to do in a bloated pot.

Just like this turn.

Again, I think talking about a different bet sizing is a fruitful discussion. Talking about checking in this spot is not imo. Checking just to "have the nuts" in our checking line is pretty irrelevant. We need to complexify our preflop strategy before we start trying to complexify our postflop strategy esp with under 70bb

We have 4% pfr and AAxxx is 4.17% in PLO5. If we're limping our trashiest AA we always have AKQJxds/AKQTxds or KKQJTds/ss type hands here making up the remainder, some of which actually play better as a check since we unblock the Ace and can potentially get some value later from Axxxx 2 pair hands that isn't fully aware of how tight we're playing

If we're going to start reversing streets to play more optimally why stop at the flop? We should go all the way back to pf and open 10-15% more hands and then we will actually have a checking range that needs some protection. It's good to mix theory into how we play but when hero is playing so far from GTO pf already in 1 direction we don't need to go the exact opposite direction GTO postflop

Is this a live game? Why are you opening so rarely?

Prolly just means he’s limping and calling a lot

Something like

45/4/2

Theoretical question considering small vs large sizing.

With top set, we almost certainly have an equity advantage vs calling range.

If we assume villain is inelastic to bet size (meaning, he calls the exact same hands whether be B100 or B50), don't we have an incentive to B100 to get as much money in as possible when we're an equity favorite?

True, there are a lot of bad turns. But theoretically, what is the argument for intentionally keeping the pot small on the flop, meaning we can't GII on the turn, and we can never stack villain on brick rivers because he folds his missed draws?

(I assume it has to do with our poor equity realization/ poor visibility, but just curious to hear the argument).

Is this a min-VPIP game? Why limp-call?

I limp most of my playing range (15-20%) and limp raise maybe half of it.

Why?

Because I sit to the right of the maniacs and lags.

A better exploit would just be to open much tighter (around 12% from EP) and 4b wider. Your solution revolves around playing SRP OOP, but if villains are crazy, you should be happy to play more 3b and 4b pots with stronger ranges.

They are raIsing my limps but no one is crazy enough to 3b me 😃

Isn’t it better to limp, get an open from maniac, a bunch of callers, and then squeeze big?

Would depend on a bunch of factors like how deep you are, how many people are likely to call after you SQ, how often you get people calling that are willing to stack off dominated hands/draws vs your very face up range postflop

Also this strategy starts to go out the window as you get 150bb+ deep as being a good viable strategy vs just opening wider yourself