Razz Tournament Hand ($240)
6 handed. A king brings it in; a 7 completes, a 2 calls, I 3! (A2)4, 2 Jacks fold, they both call.
(A2)4Q
(xx)2K
(xx)79
79 bets, 2K folds, I call.
(A2)4Q8
(xx)79T
I bet, they call
(A2) 4Q88
(xx)79TQ
He bets, I call
River, he bets, and I catch a T
12 Replies
You're getting huge pot odds, and he could have T9 or worse. It's a sigh-call, and you expect to lose. But you will win more than the 20% of the time you need for the call to be profitable.
Add to this some small chances of a worse T8 and it's a slam dunk call.
Raise!
When he bet, I knew this was strange; after all I was clearly drawing to an 8 he couldn't beat.
Of course I should have some (many?) bluffs here, but when I catch what might be a shred of showdown, this doesn't seem like the right hand to raise with.
Any pair other than the Q would probably be enough, without doing the math. It is probably too many bluffs.
I called and of course Villain had made a 98...
Ugh weird bet and annoying result
Could be wrong but I think I agree with notion to raise T8 and this might be only hand I might raise with
One of two good things can happen, fold a nine or he calls with a T9. Think that’s worth more than choosing one of the small pairs to bluff that reduces chances slightly of him making the nine
Ugh weird bet and annoying result
Could be wrong but I think I agree with notion to raise T8 and this might be only hand I might raise with
One of two good things can happen, fold a nine or he calls with a T9. Think thatβs worth more than choosing one of the small pairs to bluff that reduces chances slightly of him making the nine
A merge in Razz? Is that a thing? Of course betting in Villain's shoes is probably not a thing either...
The main reason to *only* bluff a pair is otherwise we could literally bluff every card in the deck, since Villain is capped at a 9, and we have an obvious 8 draw.
Turing the one hand that has a smidge into showdown value seems backwards to me...
A merge in Razz? Is that a thing? Of course betting in Villain's shoes is probably not a thing either...
The main reason to *only* bluff a pair is otherwise we could literally bluff every card in the deck, since Villain is capped at a 9, and we have an obvious 8 draw.
Turing the one hand that has a smidge into showdown value seems backwards to me...
Rights that’s kind of what this is.
Basically correct a pair only serves as some type of randomizer, and in theory to make him indifferent we don’t have many bluffing cards due to size of pot.
But we don’t know what his strategy is on river. If he’s planning on folding to raise or if he was betting even his T9 and calling with anything. At end of day it’s a weird hand but would suck to raise 44 (queen low)and have him show T9 low and you don’t know what would have happened had you raised.
But this hand hurts my brain lol and not sure of my thoughts
The 987 low only is significant if you caught precisely one of the three tens which you did. So no idea if he was betting T9 low or not, which he always has unless he has something like A9 in hole
SIWAS!
Also when/where was this tournie, and what was the mix of games? what was your read on villain from previous razz hands?
Ummm, why are we calling on fourth street again?
Also, it would be good to know stack depth, stage of tournament, and so on. Is ICM pressure a significant factor?
Ummm, why are we calling on fourth street again?
Also, it would be good to know stack depth, stage of tournament, and so on. Is ICM pressure a significant factor?
We are calling 4th because there are 10 small bets in the pot, and we need to call 1 small to win a pot that will have 12. Can we realize ~8.5 equity with this hand? Yes.
There was no significant ICM pressure either way.
I don't see how you could fold 4th street, particularly in a pot raised on 3rd street. I thought you could usually peal on 4th in a raised pot if you caught bad on 4th and your opponent caught good. Here he caught a 9.
You have A24Q against xx79. He should have 2 cards below a 7, but you can't be that far behind. You should be 40% to win. It is unlikely you are better than that, and impossible you are worse than that.
If he had caught a wheel card, you would probably be in bad shape, but then he might have paired and you would be ahead.