2/2 Live middle set multiway
2/2 live QQJJcc with Qs in MP - have table covered
$10 btn straddle. Sb raise $20 dark. Hero $70, 3 calls.
Sb (1.2k eff) is a whale, btn (1k eff) is a fish, LP (3k eff) is a winning player, but winning in this game is pretty easy.
Flop ($285) KJ6ssh Ks on board
X, hero $200, LP call.
In theory pretty sure I should be checking here, a lot of bad turns. But I was targeting the whale and fish that would call/raise with worse hands like 66XX, 1 pair, 2 pair, pair + gutshot type of hands, or bad flush draws. I play these games exploitative. They put me on AA a lot of the time I raise pre so they will peel fairly light. A lot of times they will call if they hit any pair, but they won't bet it.
Caller is a winning player but ABC. He will GII with big draws though. He started the hand 3k eff. If he had KK here he comes over the top for sure. He typically fast plays sets in multiway pots when facing action. So KK is ruled out. I've seen him rip top 2 and bottom set as well at times. He would probably even pot something like AQTX with nfd. So I'm thinking he just has some kind of pair + flush draw at best. Maybe 2 pair that isn't top 2. Not that he'd always rip top 2, but for 1 buy in he probably would (1k). Idk about 3k deep. Plus only 1 J left.
Turn ($685) 3x
Hero $450, V call
Trying to incentivize him to call with combo draws/worse made hands at the wrong price. He understands the pot odds/equity/etc he needs. Plus with the QQ I'm blocking hands he might peel with. The only hand I can think of that he has the right price with would be AQTXss and I still don't see him slow playing that on the flop. I would've for sure heard from 66XX by now.
River ($1585) 4x
Hero?
If he had 66XX I still think I would've heard from him. If he backed into a straight somehow, so be it. All the flop draws missed. QQ with Qs is a good for betting river in theory with this hand. Gives him more bluff catchers than missed draws. Do I check to induce a bluff or just go for it? He's likely not calling light (say top and bottom pair) and he is capable of bluffing. Idk what hands he bluffs with though. He's also not value betting top and bottom pair. If he happens to have 66 he's calling/jamming or likely betting if checked to. Just pot it up?
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Not sure why you think you would have heard something from 66 already other than call, seems not great to jam the turn with it. If that's really true tho and he can never have 66 then he has no real value/hero calling range left. Basically gotta pray he has some sort of AQTxss or AT54ss type hand he chooses to bluff with. If you think he could have 66 still and may even hero call K6 going $1k-1200 might be best esp if you're unsure if he can bluff river here
Not sure why you think you would have heard something from 66 already other than call, seems not great to jam the turn with it. If that's really true tho and he can never have 66 then he has no real value/hero calling range left. Basically gotta pray he has some sort of AQTxss or AT54ss type hand he chooses to bluff with. If you think he could have 66 still and may even hero
Although this guy is one of the better players, he still fast plays hands that he shouldn't, at times when he shouldn't as well. I do the same at times since I play exploitative, but he does it in spots where I never would. For example, if 2 of the good pros were in this hand with me IP, I'm probably just checking the flop. I'm also never really trying to pile chips in with bottom set whenever I'm in that spot unless I'm heads up with a fish or 3 handed to the flop with 2 fish and we aren't deep.
The only other players I know that would flat sets are very good pros. The pros understands that even when the board pairs on the turn with the K or J, they aren't exactly thrilled with bottom boat. Also that half the deck can be a bad turn/river. It also depends on how many players to the flop, board texture, etc.
This guy isn't a fish but he knows that I can have big hands that he's ahead of like worse value or big draws. Typically when he sees a turn, if the board doesn't change, he will then try to pile it in with 66 here. To deny me equity and "if you have it, you have it". I'm not saying it's impossible for him to have 66 by the river. I'm just saying the majority of the time he will let it be known on the flop or turn.
He's also smart enough to understand that a hand with nfd isn't a good hand to bluff with because he would want me to have that. So I'm not sure what hand he might bluff with that he called down with. Like you said, that also gives him almost no value/hero calling range now either.
I may just fake block the river then for $250-$300 to get a crying call from K6 or the few combos of KJ since I expect it's gonna be tough to get paid off by K6 for a big bet. Also it leaves him room to potentially try to bluff you off what he might think is AAQx or K6 yourself when you now come out blocking river
If you can pretty squarely conclude he has basically no KJ/66 tho then I think betting really big is your worst option and either blocking/checking will be better
I also like blocking getting thin value and leaving the door open for a big bluff.
I may just fake block the river then for $250-$300 to get a crying call from K6 or the few combos of KJ since I expect it's gonna be tough to get paid off by K6 for a big bet. Also it leaves him room to potentially try to bluff you off what he might think is AAQx or K6 yourself when you now come out blocking riverIf you can pretty squarely conclude he has basically no KJ/66 th
I like this a lot, little to add. Think we can mix in a bunch of flop checks here.
I ended up checking, hoping he would stab at it. He checked back and I took it down. He did show a jack though. So no idea what he had exactly but I'm assuming some kind of pair + oesd or wrap.
