Am I missing value not check-raising in the BB in a multiway limped pot on a dry flop?

Bluffing early streets OOP with no equity isn't a fun endeavor.

The board's dry enough and the pot's small enough that all the bingo players will often just fold before they even remember what their cards were if you lead out. But even that isn't ideal because the min-bet likely doesn't give you good enough pot odds into 3 opponents for direct profit, and again playing turn and river OOP with only a quarter of the deck giving you only 10% equity is not good news for you.

Once someone announces they have a hand they like by betting $5 into $7 into 3 opponents, I wouldn't try to push them off of it (assuming you're OOP without equity, other players are typical loose-passives, etc).

I like your intent to x/r in this scenario but you need more equity such as bottom pair, gutshot, bdfd etc, that is more than just a bdsd, as others have suggested. I wouldn't worry too much about having to fold flop to a 3bet either, since it's unlikely to happen much on these types of boards, unless your opponents are seeing something clunky in the way you x-r. I'd be more concerned about an opponent who lets you blast three streets and calls you down with a weak top pair. Anyway congratulations on the failed bluff! No shame in that.

It still theoretical, I haven’t lost any money yet. I’m looking forward to finding a spot, making the check raise, posting the hh to 2+2, and getting skewered.

I’m looking forward to this spot

I like attacking the button stabber here -- IMO his bet-sizing is pretty polar in most $1/$2 games, where fish usually just go ahead and bet $10 or $15 with strong-but-vulnerable hands -- but I think I would want a little more equity, even if it was just a backdoor/backdoor scenario (say you had Th9x and the flop was Jh4h2x.)

That being said, I just want to say LOL at the button player bet-3betting this flop IP. Classic scenario where a $1/$2 player absolutely refuses to allow you to bluff.

I would pretty much always just check/fold this.

If we want to get out-of-line, I'd wait until I have at least a little something going for me and/or could rep something scary (such as bluffing a flush draw if it comes in on the turn). Position also helps immensely when stealing pots as a lot of players will turn their hand face up on later streets (but it is harder to take advantage of that when OOP).

Basically, I would let the game come to me, not press things, and just keep my eyes open for good spots; this ain't one of them, imo.

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I don't even prefer a x/r if we have equity.

It's hard to hit a hand on this board and the most common leak is playing too wide pre and being too passive post. Why wait for someone to raise their hand and announce they actually managed to like what they have before trying to take it down?

Bluffing 4 ways into a limped pot with a bunch of loose passives does not seem like a good idea.

Even if you're really good at picking these spots, I doubt it's much better than EV at best.

Bottom line, these sorts of multiway bluffs just don't need to be part of your game at low stakes.

It isn't going to pick up the pot much on the flop. You probably have to fire 2 more streets. That will often work, but not sure if it is profitable. Also, you are OOP to the whole table.

Dudes don't poke at a six-way flop or whatever without at least a little something.

Random thoughts:

Not being able to point to any definitive source, my vague recollection is that I've seen some online poker coaches say PokerBank is FOS, so I might discount their guidance if it seems dubious.

Check-raising with zero equity in a limped pot at a high frequency sounds dubious, especially if the strat is being sold as advertising. I don't need help letting the rest of the table know I'm terrible, thanks.

That said, I can almost see some logic in x/r'ing T7 on this J-high board. We block some JX combos, and have a BDGSSD, for whatever that's worth (admittedly, it's not worth much). And it's unlikely the BTN has a super-strong hand on J42rb in a limped pot. Maybe he has 44 or 22, but he's not going to love getting raised if he was poking out with QJ.

I've never been accused of playing too few hands, so it's hard to empathize. But, if I thought my image was in danger of becoming too nitty, I might venture to risk an OOL raise pre when multiple opponents have limped, and I'm in the BB, with a trashy hand like T7o, with a plan to windmill it in their faces if they all fold.

"Call me a nit, will you? Look at that, you rapscallions!"

So, yeah, if you want to prove you're not a nit, I'd prefer to do it by risking a few extra dollars with an OOL raise pre, not by risking a few more dollars with a hail mary bluff post.

If we do try an OOL raise pre, and get called, we'll either shut it down when we whiff, or go for max value when we smash the flop with our preposterous hand.

So what do you do on various turns once your raise to 15 gets 3 callers?

dont fall into the fish trap of bluffing just because its super cheap to bluff. its also cheap to call.

Live 1/2 players want to see the flop and the turn. People will overbet the flop in limped pots and get 3 callers. You are generally throwing away money trying to bluff small pots.

Now sometimes people are face up, and there will be no betting to the river. In that case, it might be possible to stab at a limped pot as bluff.

Hope that these loose passives stay at the table when hero check raises with value?

Yeah, you should get action when you hit in a limped pot. Have you noticed how these play postflop?

Just burning money pure bluffing on the flop in a limped pot at 1/2.

You have answered my thread question but I’m looking forward to winning in this spot. I’m gonna play it for 2+2. Be patient. It may take a year.

For those saying x/r with value in limp pot, I've x/r on these dry flops, turns out everybody was folding to my x/r. They were probably folding tp+.

The time I got action in limped pot was when V had top2 on a super wet board, I continue barreling blank turn he open folded in my face??? I had combo draw. I didn't show.

Maybe I have uber nit image. I bluff but never shows when it worked. Sometimes I wonder do I need to show some bluffs to get more action.

Anyhow, recently I've been going to home games that my image doesn't matter to them. Though I also try not to be as nitty as normal. Maybe even trying to get an aggro image I would get out of line.

Even ignoring that this is mostly insane vs. almost all 1-2 players, if you are doing this for image you'd need to be playing with them a lot. So often I do some bluff, get called by trash and think "Well, at least they'll call me when I have it" ... and then they leave 20m later, and most of the rest of the table changes over the next hour.

Based on your HHs, I think you play very aggro games where people are just stabbing big with any two when it checks to them with the effective button.

It’s more sensible to target aggressive players’ b/f nodes; you’d rather attack passive players with leads and stabs of your own.

(Even so, the bluffing math both for raises and for big investments in MWPs are steep on their own; compounding them makes raising a B70 with two players LTA OOP such an ill-fated endeavor you need lots of equity to even consider it.)