1/2, $500 deep: I x/r semibluff flop MW but don’t know what to do when I bink turn
Ok this may sound ironical but here’s the hand..
$500ish deep
There’s a straddle, few limps, Hero completed BB
I think you confused preflop and flop action here. If UTG opens to 7.5BB, then yeah snap fold every hand worse than 99, and up to JJ depending on the player. In that case, calling this hand preflop would be a blunder, imho. But the 15$ bet was on the Flop, not preflop. This was a limped preflop pot.Also in general this doesn't answer the question. I'm totally on board with havi
I believe I did forget the pre flop action when I saw your suggestion to make it $50 pre. My apologies.
It's 1/2, but with what I assume is a $5 straddle. The stacks are $500 eff, so we might look at this like a limped pot at 1/3 or 2/5, or we might take into account the low stakes player pool tendency to play tighter in straddled pots. I think the reasoning about not getting out of line pre holds up, either way. They're generally not limping in just to fold to a single raise (though $50 might very likely take it down before the flop).
76s is a playable hand, and I'd be on board opening for a raise from LP, even over a single limper. Once we see multiple limpers coming in, I'd rather over-limp or fold from the BTN or BB, and mostly just fold it from other positions. If we're raising 76s and all similar holdings, we'll just be opening too many hands, with too wide a range, and bloating pots with hands that don't play well multi-way, OOP, or in shallow SPR situations.
The main point is that we're playing in a pool where the showdown value of making a pair with high cards tends to drive more EV than the implied odds of making a big hand with low and middling pairs and SC's. Our opponents are generally going to show up with better starting hands, and we'll struggle to realize the equity of hands like 76s from OOP.
Main reply: so would you, by the same logic, have no 3bet bluffs from the blinds? If LJ RFI and you're in the SB are you 3betting only value hands here, AJs+, AQo+, 99+, something like that? (Or would you 3bet bluff different hands, like low suited Aces, instead of suited connectors?)
Because again, my point is mainly about the difference between 3betting and 2bet squeezing. I'm fine with "let's have a mixture of value hands and bluffs", and I'm also fine with "people overcall, so I want to have only value hands" (speaking only about preflop raises here). But my impression has been that people treat these differently in this forum and I still don't get why; iirc someone told me that if I have no 3bet bluffs, this is a big hole in my game (when I said that I would only 3bet value hands against certain players). Why wouldn't the same apply here? Being OOP and relatively shallow-stacked equally applies if you're 3betting a LJ RFI from the SB. If LJ opens 10$ and BN flats, you also have to go to at least 50$ from the SB
76s is a playable hand, and I'd be on board opening for a raise from LP, even over a single limper. Once we see multiple limpers coming in, I'd rather over-limp or fold from the BTN or BB, and mostly just fold it from other positions. If we're raising 76s and all similar holdings, we'll just be opening too many hands, with too wide a range, and bloating pots with hands that don
I think multiple limpers actually make the squeeze better, in the same way that intermediate flatters after a RFI make the 3bet more juicy. The first limper could be polarized and limp AA, but every subsequent limper is less likely to. You said that 76s doesn't play well multiway; I agree! That's why we raise big and get 0-1 callers. Then even if we get a complete brick like an A33 flop, I wanna see him call down with his capped range against our range that contains all combinations of AK and AQ. Most likely scenario here is, we cbet 30% pot and he folds his little QTs. If the board has some equity like an OESD or flush draw, great we can barrel even more.
... and if it comes QJ6 rainbow, yea then we probably have to give up. It doesn't work every time.
It's 1/2, but with what I assume is a $5 straddle. The stacks are $500 eff, so we might look at this like a limped pot at 1/3 or 2/5, or we might take into account the low stakes player pool tendency to play tighter in straddled pots. I think the reasoning about not getting out of line pre holds up, either way. They're generally not limping in just to fold to a single raise (th
If raising 50$ (or maybe a little lower, my rule of thumb is about twice the money out there) frequently picks up the pot, then I think it's not that difficult to realize enough equity postflop to make the move profitable (since again, often you just get 1 caller and then win the pot with the first cbet). But I actually do agree that the straddle makes the play worse because it lowers the SPR. I'd rather make a similar raise over a lot of limpers without the straddle.
