British Politics
Been on holiday for a few weeks, surprised to find no general discussion of British politics so though I'd kick one off.
Labout down to 20% in the latest yougov poll
Meanwhile apparantly there are now 850k signups for the new left wing party (who are not not in the poll)
we need the new real left party to pick a name, organize itself, start existing for real, and get some polling. What's delaying those events?
yes in a financial equilibrium sense.
Hard for that to be the case for people who contributed while assets jumped in value monstrously (your contribution have to be implicitly compounded at the rate a normal balanced portfolio of 60% equity and 40% bonds would have been, if instead of giving it to the gvmnt you had been allowed to save it yourself).
Meanwhile apparantly there are now 850k signups for the new left wing party (who are not not in the poll)
So Labour are on what, 10-15% with Jezbollah on 5-10% One has to presume neither Reform or Tory voters are voting for Jezbollah.
I've heard recently from a British friend that the conservatives are currently favored in a big election
When is the election, whats the election for, and how similar is the rhetoric over there to the rhetoric over here?
And the wildest thing is much of Labour's misfortune can be attributed to outrage over a small tribal conflict thousands of miles away Britain isn't really involved in.
Hmm that's only a small part of it imo. I think it's more a case of lots of small issues that they have dealt with badly such as small boats, rape gangs, winter fuel payments, harassing/locking people up for tweets, free gifts, PIP cuts, and so on.
In fact, here is a poll - support for Israel not a huge factor albeit it's 12 months old.
there is something so insane behind decisions like this, so inimical to our countries survival, i don't understand why there isn't a very strong societal reaction against these judicial decisions that make a mockery of our countries
And the wildest thing is much of Labour's misfortune can be attributed to outrage over a small tribal conflict thousands of miles away Britain isn't really involved in.
you have to ignore that the left had legitametly won ovber th alabour party and were thrown out after starmer won by lying about being on the left. He had to throw the left out and change thr rules because we had the popular support among labour members/supporters.
That's why labour is so unpopular. Gaza had played a part in solidifying the opposition (as have various decision) but they didn't cause it.
That doesn’t cover it. You still have to explain why they only got a third of the vote against the most unpopular government in living memory.
They were haemorrhaging support long before the election, which any decent party offering good policies should have won with close to 50% of the vote, given the circumstances.
The electorate rightly smelt a rat and either didn’t bother to vote or found a better local candidate.
That doesn’t cover it. You still have to explain why they only got a third of the vote against the most unpopular government in living memory.They were haemorrhaging support long before the election, which any decent party offering good policies should have won with close to 50% of the vote, given the circumstances.The electorate rightly smelt a rat and either didn’t bother to
Turnout was indeed shockingly low, and that's with a change in the trend for most other advanced nations (turnout went down almost everywhere in the last 30-40 years but recently it stopped decreasing or even went up again in several places). UK as others had changed the trend recently but 2024 was a shocker.
At 60% for the UK it was record low touching the 2001 lows again
It's never easy though to guesstimate what the people that chose not to vote would have preferred.
It is quite easy because these things called polls exist, and some of them asked people which policies they liked and which they disliked.
That doesn’t cover it. You still have to explain why they only got a third of the vote against the most unpopular government in living memory.They were haemorrhaging support long before the election, which any decent party offering good policies should have won with close to 50% of the vote, given the circumstances.The electorate rightly smelt a rat and either didn’t bother to
Many of us on the left had abandon labour before the election
we stopped voting least worse.
I've heard recently from a British friend that the conservatives are currently favored in a big election
When is the election, whats the election for, and how similar is the rhetoric over there to the rhetoric over here?
No chance. It will be Reform (Nigel Farage - Trump's mate is the leader). Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait at least another couple of years though.
No chance. It will be Reform (Nigel Farage - Trump's mate is the leader). Unfortunately we'll probably have to wait at least another couple of years though.
There are a few years to go, and Nigel's wheels may yet come off or at least wobble. People just project their wishes on to him (as they did and do with Corbyn, the other personality-cultist in the picture) and he does sometimes say quite odd things (pro-Putin, pro-men in women's prisons, anti-NHS) which would alienate many of his potential voters but don't yet get much attention. The Conservatives, though, would have an awful lot of ground to make up before they had a hope of forming the next administration, and it doesn't look likely.
There are a few years to go, and Nigel's wheels may yet come off or at least wobble. People just project their wishes on to him (as they did and do with Corbyn, the other personality-cultist in the picture) and he does sometimes say quite odd things (pro-Putin, pro-men in women's prisons, anti-NHS) which would alienate many of his potential voters but don't yet get much attenti
3 years are a thousands years in the current political climate. Reform could be a 42% or 11% in 2028 or anything in between
Did Britain ban Teslas and I missed it? Elon has been posting A LOT on British culture war issues the last couple weeks. Certainly cant be helping things.
if it's so terrible why don't they all leave from a country that is so hateful and isn't their country? i would never live in a place with any anti-italian sentiment around me , why would i?
Minorities in Italy aren't racially abusive towards Italians? Norms are probably different in Romantic countries, but in the Anglo world dealing with (mostly harmless) verbal racial abuse is just part of living in a multicultural society. And whites get it the worst by far (except of course for Jews who get the double whammy of being "white" and "Jews")
