QQ as 3b OOP
$1/2 H’s 6th hand at table. 4 hands have been 3b, including by V
V is MAWG MP $5-600. H doesn’t know V but V seems like a reasonable LAG with some experience based on my vast 6 hands of observation.
H is MAWG UTG $365
OTTH
H opens $10 with QhQs. Rando calls. V makes it $30. Folds back to H. H makes it $115. Rando folds. V calls.
Flop ($237)
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H x to rep missed AK. V $100. H has ~$260 behind. I suppose V can have AA, KK, JJ, AKo/s, some mid pairs, occasional sets, some combo draw type hands and of course some straight up air.
H? I x’d flop to try to GII. Any reason not to follow through?
Thoughts anywhere appreciated.
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jam seems fine
Yea just ship it, he will probably fold most of his air unless he thinks he has equity.
Results: H ships it OTF figuring V is probably range betting here and H is definitely ahead of V’s range. V goes in the tank for a full minute and eventually calls with KK and H loses.
I don’t quite feel like it’s a cooler but I’m also not really sure were I was supposed to get off the ride.
Results: H ships it OTF figuring V is probably range betting here and H is definitely ahead of V’s range. V goes in the tank for a full minute and eventually calls with KK and H loses.
I don’t quite feel like it’s a cooler but I’m also not really sure were I was supposed to get off the ride.
It's a cooler once it gets to flop with a pot size bet left.
If theres any question about the hand it's preflop but it still seems ok besides 4bet maybe too big. If you knew V is a huge nit then it would be a different case.
Coolers happen, its part of the game.
Results: H ships it OTF figuring V is probably range betting here and H is definitely ahead of V’s range. V goes in the tank for a full minute and eventually calls with KK and H loses.
I don’t quite feel like it’s a cooler but I’m also not really sure were I was supposed to get off the ride.
Sometimes you just lose. Once you get a relatively good flop with slightly above 1 SPR you gotta go with it. Against a lot of nits I'm flatting preflop.
Ridiculous tank on his behalf to call 160 to win 700+
Not a grunch because I had a lapse in discipline and read the reveal...
PRE - seems pretty standard, though at this stack depth I wonder if we should just try to get it in by 4B-jamming, rather than 4B'ing to a size that allows V to call and possibly get away from AK on the flop.
Maybe it seems crazy to jam for $365 over a $30 bet, when we have a hand as strong as QQ, but raising to $115 just sets up a 1 SPR on the flop, such that we kind of know we're just going with our hand so long as the board isn't A or K high.
FLOP - Honestly I think we're going broke here almost no matter what line we take when V is just flatting our 4B pre with AA/KK. I'd probably just go bet-bet-bet, and cry-cry-cry when we lose-lose-lose.
I don't think I'd be able to avoid going broke in game. But at home, reading the HH on the laptop, I do kind of wonder if we're supposed to think about what his 4B flatting range looks like, and what we're targeting for value if we jam flop.
We lose to AA/KK, and TT. So, we're mostly just targeting JJ, unless we think he's going to sigh-call with AK.
Which raises the question - does he 3B-call our 4B with JJ? And if so, does he call our flop jam with JJ, when JJ loses to pretty much everything, unless he thinks we're doing some kamikaze $hlt with AK?
I dunno man. The "we can always improve" side of my brain says we could have avoided going broke here. But the "oh, c'mon, that's just poker" part says we just got unlucky and there isn't much we could have done differently. If you did somehow manage to avoid going broke, that would be pretty impressive.
