The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

I know from past cases you have a total inability to spot irony yourself but even you must know he is mocking you. Its kinda like on the gypsy forum where people tell you your investigation is right up there with the warriors of the inquisition and you think that is a compliment... You seem to have a complete lack of self-awareness which is likely the reason why you lose at micros yet think you are up there with linus.

So why do you constantly decline any HU challenge? It would be good table selection for you to play weaker players. You could finally end your 6 year losing streak 😉

The situation you are describing there is a completely hypothetical one, its not based on facts at all.
If you were a good analyst you would know your investigation relies on facts and not on a fictive scenario
Everyone can describe a situation where they are the best or worst player.
I can describe every KK
So unless you have facts that the software works that way, you have nothing.
Or as you say yourself;

And to follow up on that, you describe that if you dont follow the sites hidden rules you will lose.
You also proved you are losing, very extensively in fact. 6 years of losing at the micros is one hell of an achievement :p
You also describe that if you do follow the sites hidden rules you will win.
Why have you never proved this?
It is a vital, in fact the most important part, of your "investigation".
With this key part missing nobody can ever take what you are saying seriously.

And when it comes to taking you seriously, your continued lies without rectification are not shining a positive light on you either.
When confronted with the lies and asked about you seem to ignore them and fall back on the old riddle of losing hands. We know you are losing by now.
People who want to read an investigation about the rng deserve to know why its author is a pathological liar and making fraudulent claims about himself.

So I'll repeat the questions and will do so until we get an answer.
Since you claim to oppose fraud you must be eager to rectify you own 😉

Even to this day in your 2+2 bio it says you play $100 sng's.
On your youtube video "how to play online poker according to the algorithm" your first sentence is "I'm an expert level poker player and..."
On 2+2, pokerstrategy, youtube & gypsy you claim you are an expert or professional level player...

1. Why dont you feel the need to rectify these statements which are BLATANT PROVEN LIES?
2. How are you so comfortable being disingenuous and lying about your credentials?
3. How can anyone trust someone who is so eager so keep on lying about himself without correcting it when its made clear to anybody else?
4. And honestly, how can you call out other people when you are the one shamelessly lying the most and never rectifying?

Answer these questions Johnny, show your true character (or lack thereof).
Dont be unethical and ignore them just to keep your lying charade going.

I minraise is also pretty terrible both with the specific hand and with our range.

You give the opponent great odds to call with a single over card for not good reason.

You will also be raising a lot in this scenario. You raise pretty much any 2 broadways as they flop well and play better with a small stack to pot ratio along with all pairs 77 and higher.

This by the way is also the reason why it is quite common to limp weak aces in the small blinf because you can jam them over the raise from big blind instead of playing a hand that flops badly out of position.

I personally wouldn't have a 1bb bet range on the monotone flop but you have no idea what else he has in his range there he might bet flushes, pair + draw the same way.

Which if you are right and a 1bb bet always leads to a jam would be the best way to play these hands.

You are results orientated and working with hindsight instead of describing a proper strategy.

To everybody literally everybody who has an decent understanding of poker it is obvious that right now you are very bad, you dont think about the game the right way and have very limited understanding of it.

I would wager that if you ever get past your arrogance and realise you are not as good as you are that you have all the traits that could be sharpened into becoming a strong player but right now there is no chance.

Chances, man!
Chances!

What are the chances for his opponent to have an over card in case of limp on a small blind?!

According to your logic, 22 push from UTG is also good (on 9 max table). Because "you can steal the pot, if other players haven't got a good hand to call".

You say something like "It's not profitable to join the flop on the 3rd best preflop hand in poker, because it you can lose it". Man... QQ on a postflop in a heads-up pot is simply huge.

Normaly his opponent would have raised Ax.

How often will his opp LIMP Ax? So he limps Ax more often then around 50 different starting hands? He might limp with Anything. And among his limping range an over card is in around 15% cases!

You value my level is low. And I don't see a problem here. The problem is that while you ignore basic stuff in discussing of the game, you are still claiming other players to be bad, lol!

Even if he got an over card like "A" or "K", he will get it on a flop in 17% cases.

So, to get in trouble there on QQ after a min-raise

1. His opponent needs to get an overcard (15%)
2. At the same time (!) he also should hit an over card on the flop (!) - 17%

Man, even without any numbers above, which you, probably, don't know (??), it's too obvious, that playing a heads-up pot on QQ is NOT that "dangerous". Lol, even amateur players dream about playing a flop with QQ to collect the value of a hand. But you say -

Guys, I don't understand. I'm serious, are you poker players?

Why I ask this. You don't understand easy examples of statistical violations.

Some of you misread easy hands while discussions.

You don't understand simple preflop/postflop ranges and values of hands.

But in the end of each message you allow yourself here to type - "you are a bad player". I try to understand your logic of communicating?

Why don't I type to every player, I talk to here - "You suck at poker". Why are you allowing yourself this, even though, you can't discuss any hand normally. A question to half-chat here.

I'm okay, that other players consider my gaming is low (even while they don't know how I play, roflmao), but I don't ****ing want to hear this from a man, after he claims "It's a bad idea to provoke a postflop, having QQ in hand!"

DJ, I wouldn't be that aggressive in this message, but seriously - what the ----- ))) for do you say after each sentance that I suck. Would be cool, if you comfirmed your own understanding of the game before may be??

Why I (!) don't claim you are bad?

It looks like your ego doesn't allow you to accept, when someone else value his gameplay as "good"? I don't speak about you, I speak about myself. And I do this very reraly, cause it's not important in this thread.

But you speak about it ALL THE TIME. You speak about how bad I am every message???

3BB and 2BB raise - are totally different.

The question is how often will your opponent call 3BB raise on a preflop in the start of the game? And how often will you waste your huge QQ hand as a result?

But, lol, if your point is that QQ is a bad hand for a heads up postflop, YEAH it's such a luck that your opponent folded his **** on a preflop, in stead of joining the flop against your monster hand!

Depends on your opponents reaction on the limp though. Normally, it just looks like a giving your opponent a free look on the flop on garbage. Just a free look. Like "Hey, man, I have got a better starting hand in 86% cases, but I wanna give you a chance to watch this flop for free!"

Once again, here, DJ, I'm not sure, that you are aware of basic chances in poker gaming, to be fair. Since you suggest to limp A5 in the start of the match, in stead of taking the lead in hyper-turbo game - which is really important.

Would be cool, if it was already a "prepared" move! Not just the first hand in the game!

All he got in this situation - shown his hand to be bad with his own bet size. He helped his opponent to outplay himself. And this is some kind of a kindergarten!

Man, exactly, I wanna hear an opinion of people, who are decent in poker gaming. Who realize, that playing QQ on a postflop is a chance to collect a huge value with a low stack size! Lmao!!!

"all they do is talk".... continues to write 3 whole posts which took 2 hours while he could be multitabling and finishing his investigation

But we do got a problem in this thread, the fraudster Johnmir is ignoring the basic questions and mass-piling in different issues.

In case you read over them 10 times Johnny (it would be unethical to ignore these valid questions and I know how much you lose ethics) here are the questions again:

Even to this day in your 2+2 bio it says you play $100 sng's.
On your youtube video "how to play online poker according to the algorithm" your first sentence is "I'm an expert level poker player and..."
On 2+2, pokerstrategy, youtube & gypsy you claim you are an expert or professional level player...

1. Why dont you feel the need to rectify these statements which are BLATANT PROVEN LIES?
2. How are you so comfortable being disingenuous and lying about your credentials?
3. How can anyone trust someone who is so eager so keep on lying about himself without correcting it when its made clear to anybody else?
4. And honestly, how can you call out other people when you are the one shamelessly lying the most and never rectifying?

Answer these questions Johnny, show your true character (or lack thereof).
Dont be unethical and ignore them just to keep your lying charade going.

pretty decent actually. You wouldnt know about that of course because you have never played against decent players. They just dont show up in 20 cent sngs.

no that doesnt follow at all. That being said depending on how deep you are it may be a good shove.

I dint say that either.

according to whom?

3bb is not just a better raise size against ax its a much better raise size against pretty much all of his holdings even if we dont consider what happens to our range if we raise our high pairs to 2bb and other hands to 3bb.

Lets just forget about ranges and about not making ourselves horribly exploitable.

lets also ignore stack size management and how even the worst player will notice when you base your raise size on the strenght of your current hand.

At the most basic level you have to understand that you make money in poker by playing large pots with good hands and small pots with bad hands. Now and this is a deuzy usually the best way to play a big pot is by raising and betting.

Your level is low.

I see now how low. But i just dont have time or inclination to break things down to your level.

We would have to start at the very lowest level.

Actually it would probably take hours and hours just do undo the damage you have done to your won game with your half baked theories just to arrive back at a beginner level.

This is again only part of the story. How often will he flop a hand you beat that he will want to continue with?

Can you get all in over 2 instead of 3 streets by raising slightly larger in the beginning?

Can your opponent suddenly limo/shove all his ky suited and ax offsuit he limped over your 3x raises because you 2x your premiums?

All these questions John!

Are you maybe losing at 20 cent stakes because you play bad?

Is curacao ever answering your emails?

who knows john? who knows?

Well yeah John the thing is you are a bad player.

Its not an insult. Its a fact.

You are also by the way constantly claiming everybody but you sucks at poker.

So either you are too loopy to remember your own words or you are lying here too just like in your self assesment as a professional level player.

You can claim i am bad all you want John.

I am far from an elite player. I havent gotten the acolades others have.

But you my friend are very very very bad. The reason this is important is because it shows your character.

Your results say you are bad. players with better results say you are bad.

I am telling you are bad at poker because right now you are on a high horse assigning a level of understanding to yourself that is simply not there.

For you to be able to improve you forst need to let go of your false preception.

So again it is of the utmost importance that i tell you you are bad at what you are trying to do.

Nit to be rude but because its the only way you can grow.

This is the first time you make a bit of sense.

You come to the wrong conclusion but you mention some things that make sense.

In the end the 3bb raise is better because it will generate more ev as on average you will play a bigger pot with a strong hand.

As i explained above thats not all there s to it but yeah thats right!

OOh believe me i forgot more about hyper turbos than you will ever know.

How exactly are you going to realise all your equity post flop with a5?

how are you going to play a5 against a reraise?

what range do you think he will reraise here?

do you want to have a limping range here?

what range will he raise if you limp?

what will your limping range look like?

what hands will you limp shove to not have a one dimensional range that the opponent can pounce on?

Is a5 maybe really good for that part o f the range while it severely underperforms in raised pots because it is hard to realise its equity out of position?

Do you maybe have no idea what you are talking about?

again so many questions John.

I just decided to not go over the rest of your nonsense.

I gave you more than enough.

John, why do you rip on other players for not having perfect strategies while you are openshoving 55 into aces for 75bb on-stream?
A stream you cowardly deleted it after...

You made dubious (read: bad) plays all the time and say its because of the algorithm...
So why do you think these pro's are making bad plays instead of thinking that they might found some part of the algorithm that you havent???
I know you think that when it comes to poker you might be better than Linus who is considered the best but why do you also always assume that you are the only one that has discovered (part of) the secrets of the algorithm??

Especially since these pro's play so weak and you are so good...
You show a player minbetting a very wet flop... you say he is bad... maybe he just knows something and is provoking the software to give him aces soon.
You never got a decent algorithm in your investigation as to how to win and until you do its all guesswork and hypothetical nonsense.

Are you all still doing this!???

JohnMir, use your energy to get change from the PlayStation decks in places where it will be constructive. Emails to regulators, observations in new forums, reviews in sites trustpilot type platforms, build up a head of steam.

Arguing with those who are benefiting financially from this very loose version of poker (and indeed have no interest in poker in how it should be played) will get you nowhere.

Refer to the first post in the thread entitled ‘Trend about rigged online poker’ on here. It’s about the belittling and abusive bullying behaviour towards anyone who talks about the blatantly obvious maths busting decks.

It has a link to this thread. This thread has 3600 pages of it. The moderator joins in on this and also joins in the posting of misinformation in order to maximise that belittling.

You are fighting a losing battle.

You have enough to deal with poker decks that provide non-mathematical statistics that will drive you insane, this will only add to negativity in your mental health arguing with these people who support this rubbish.

You have correctly identified that the belittling trend as noticed in the above mentioned thread, is down to those who have a financial interest in the sites. In 3600 pages there are only 3 people who are happy to keep going and going.

You know why that is, so this will get you nowhere.

We can get change, but this is really not the place to argue infinitely!

Oh stop it.

You are pathetic.

John seems like a decent dude with a huge chip on his shoulder.

You in the other hand aren't even entertaining. You are a run of the mill fish.

Just like John you lose because you suck at poker.

Go ahead post some of your "evidence" post some of your hands and thoughts on why you played them way you did.

I have much less trust in your ability to ever become a winning player than John's but for youvthe first step is also to admit that you suck and lose because you suck.

But thewaddy you are the one that said multiple times that it cant be proven (even thouhg john thinks he did)... so what does johnmir need to send to the authorities??
His half-done investigation where he only lost 6 years straight??? Yea, that'll show them

But then again, it has been 100% proven and everyone knows this, Thewaddy is a confirmed poker shill.
Thats why he has hand histories on his computer that will incriminate poker sites and prove the rng is rigged.... but he keeps them to himself.
Now why would he defend the evil poker sites????
He is in on the scam!!! Wake up sheeple!

At least your replies proved one thing I said.

The same people, the same belittling comments.

I thank you for backing that part of it up.

Anyone reading, go to any forum on rigged poker you choose, you will find exactly the same type of people, exactly the same language used.

Ask yourself why a moderator would back these people using phrases like rigtard and actually join in with them, instead of blocking them.

All site run I’m afraid.

The same goes for riggies you know
Johnmir has said the exact same things on multiple forums and on youtube, I am only here 😉
And why hasnt a mod banned him or you if they are in on the conspiracy and want to keep the lid closed?
And if you want to uncover that lid, why didnt you ever even post a snippet of those rigged things you've seen (avalanches of 4outers, same people hitting every <20%)?
This would be meaningful evidence but you refuse to show it.... shill!

By the way, yes, I wanna post a review on Trustpilot. I took it to my “to do” list after you mentioned about it in one of your messages. Thank you!

Also, I have got a problem with The UK Gambling Commision.

Since I’m not a citizen of the UK, they answer me –

“We have passed your email to the relevant department for further investigation. Due to confidentiality, we will not be able to provide you with an update or a tailored outcome.”

So, if some of the UK citizen followed my suggestion and asked them for an official reply, would be nice. Because Curacao simply ignored all the messages. Same as iPoker’s support.

You can find my message regarding this here -
https://twoplustwo.com/post?postId=59065...

Thank you for the link. I have read the thread. But look what they do. They all claim they would “take into account the evidence”, but at the end, they just ignore it.

I suggested Gipsy Team forum to provide the investigation. They just ignored (lol, they advertise Red Star Poker on the forum). Just an absence of the answer.

I posted info here in the probability thread. They just ignored this.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/25/pr...

Yes, poker forums are not interested in this information, since they are a part of this whole business.

Hard to say, I wouldn’t say so. Initially, I didn’t even plan to post it on forums. In my opinion, it was simply senseless, since they are interested in the situation to continue. It’s too obvious. But I found it reasonable to publish cause –

1. I wanted to inform more people about the situation
2. In spite of some regular players are more like animals than a real adequate humans. Still, many of them deserve to be notified about the situation. They are fair guys and just chose their way to earn money, playing online.
I couldn’t know the reaction of Curacao to my information, and in case they decided to revoke the license, regular players would face a risk to lose their money. I warned pro players about the situation like that. Though, they are not probably wise enough to understand that. You know, people spent all the life in front of the PC…

Lol! I work with people. I have to adjust to communicate with different personalities. And all this doesn’t help me to work in a real life. Cause I face totally amoral behavior here. No logic in conversation, insults. Crazy stuff actually, like I joined some hell holl 😃

Thank you for advice. Seriously. We will see. I got less time nowadays. Anyway, I’m finishing my job with iPoker soon. Yes, you are right, I should take into account and to try to find “effective ways” of communicating regarding the situation in iPoker and in the sphere in general.

JohnMir

Could you elaborate what you have found out about Ipoker?

I moved on from their magic decks some 10yrs ago, but unfortunately Sky Poker where IÂ’d been playing, recently integrated with them.

Today, I was at a loose end and ended up playing on a Saturday, which was silly as this is sites premier day for advertising for the casual player. I tend to just watch the odds box instead of the cards coming out there on all insÂ….

I got to around 22 situations where the odds were 86%+ in my favour, but obviously online itÂ’s pretty standard to go on to lose the hand. Apparently itÂ’s my bad play that causes this. I would say itÂ’s a bad deck that causes this, but we all have our own thoughts on why these deluges happen!

All poker literature would advise on getting all your chips in with 86%+ chance of winning, but these guys say itÂ’s bad play. ItÂ’s hard not to go all in with those odds, but I do appreciate online that if thereÂ’s cards to come, your bang in trouble.

Obviously not sure where I would possibly play next, but Saturday auto madness is not going to happen again if I play at all.

A link or explanation to what you have on Ipoker too would be interesting. ItÂ’s an impossible platform to play any normal form of poker on.

Does anyone know why when you use inverted commas on here, it replaces it with a capital A?

I will try to comment in a short message, to save your time, because the materials are pretty "wide".

If we talk about statistics, first of all, I noticed, that postflop gaming is simply unacceptable in terms of flop hitting / combinations collecting by players on significant pots. But since hands of opponents are closed and it's impossible to prove postflop rigging - I opened my opponent's hands on a heads up. And, lol, iPoker's software rigged those hands THAT badly, so I proved the game to be rigged with a huge level of confidence -

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

You can read this analytical report, can be interesting for you, cause you will understand some "overall" details of how the software works, in general.

They generate positive situations to players, right after they committed a mistake. And here is a perfect example, how it happens

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

And, vice-versa, they generate negative situations to a player, after he made a highly profitable decision.

If you push TT, and some guys on the table calls you on J8 (just for example), the upcoming premium hand/pocket to pair will be most-likely (critically often) beaten by some of players on the table.

More than that, the software work especially "predictable" in case you just finished a tournament with a profitable decision. A start of the following tournament will contain a "trap" hand (preflop - like AK vs KK, or AJ vs AQ, or postflop - two pairs flopped vs a set, top pair vs two pairs flopped, etc).

A special case is bluffing. Right after successful bluff, software of iPoker generate negative ingame situation for a bluffer, because it recognizes this "move" as a rude invading into the software "plan" (your opponent is supposed to win the hand, but you steal the pot). Here is an example of this -

https://twoplustwo.com/post?postId=58903...

But, if you wanna go further. You can read this message, where I try to explain in detailes, how they deal hands.

I mean, I decoded algorithm of hands distributing (that didn't help me to beat even micros! A special story - why) -

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showp...

So, here, you can just understand, that they deal hands according to a concrete algorithm (but to "read" the software perfectly, you need to record some statistics).

I don't know, what happenes on iPoker, if you play MTT, because there you can "beat" the software with predicting of players hands.

But on Pokerstars (where I manage to open this for the first time), it ended for me with a loss of 43 SnG (multitable SnGs) in a row, and I stopped trying. I realized, that they just prescribed this situation. If a player "reads" the game, they just block winning prefinal table all-ins (and I lost 20 of 21 such all-ins in a row).

But I keep this information regarding Pokerstars unpublished. Don't wanna "mix" discussions of iPoker and Pokerstars simultaneously.

Look, it's important

1. What type of games you play (cash/MTT/SnG)
2. Did you plan an all-in, or you just played some 86% to win posflop situation.

I mean, if you play some hand on a postflop, and you can see on a showdown, that you had 86% to win it starting from the flop (you know, you just see, that you would win 86% cases if you went all-in on the flop) - it's impossible to prove rigging.

Only if you really shoved, got 86% all-in - then this deviation is possible to prove (to belong some critical confidential interval)

The software uses this. If you don't see a hand of your opponent. If you play it post-flop - you will never prove deviations, because you have take into account all the other similar situations, where you miss the opponent's hand. If you understand me. That is why postflop on iPoker is simply unplayable. It's not going to a true chances. And it unprovable.

New players of the room is a special case on iPoker. Even Pokerstars nor Partypoker doesn't work like THAT. The game turns into circus, when you meet a "new" name on the table, a player, which you haven't seen before.

It's a usual situation, that some new girl comes to play, she doesn't know the rules. She CALLS on a showdown, or just CHECKS, having nut flush/nut full house. But of course, she wins nothing. Cause she just calls! And the software, to let her win, keep giving crazy combinations again and again. It's amazing. I mean this is a too "rude" rigging of the game. I can't believe Pokerstars/Party would go for this. It would be discussed on forums.

I'm going to "gather" my key messages regarding iPoker's fraud soon. So that players could easily check all the information regarding this. My next point in the plan.

This is what he has found out

He was able to find himself losing for 6 years straight at microstakes because he knows the algorithm so well 😉
He says he knows how to win as well, but for some strange reason he never actually does it
Even though he claims to be an expert 😀
Then again, he also claims he plays $100 sng's even though he plays $ 0.43 average stake. This man clearly is very ethical and trustworthy 🙂😃

When will riggies ever learn that these talks are meaningless, show us.
Or are you still under the impression that you are literally the only one who doesnt get hand histories?
You are continuing to play on this rigged site... very clever
You are continuing to gather evidence on why its rigged... now we are getting somewhere
You just say it, but never actually show it... shilling 😉

Dont re-hash old stuff Johnny, your next point should be finishing your investigation.
You are not even half way.
If you play not by hidden rules, you lose.... DONE
If you play by hidden rules, you win..... YOU ARE NOWHERE ON THIS

This is the key point of your investigation and you are deliberately ignoring it. Why?
Only a very very bad analyst would stop half way through and claim its done.
Are you such a bad analyst as well?

And talk about ignoring Johnny, im sure you havent just missed these question about your own persona.
But stop ignoring them, since that would be unethical.

Even to this day in your 2+2 bio it says you play $100 sng's.
On your youtube video "how to play online poker according to the algorithm" your first sentence is "I'm an expert level poker player and..."
On 2+2, pokerstrategy, youtube & gypsy you claim you are an expert or professional level player...

1. Why dont you feel the need to rectify these statements which are BLATANT PROVEN LIES?
2. How are you so comfortable being disingenuous and lying about your credentials?
3. How can anyone trust someone who is so eager so keep on lying about himself without correcting it when its made clear to anybody else?
4. And honestly, how can you call out other people when you are the one shamelessly lying the most and never rectifying?

Answer these questions Johnny, show your true character (or lack thereof).
Dont be unethical and ignore them just to keep your lying charade going.

Thanks JohnMir, a great deal of what you write there is my experience too.

The doubters (aka those who are financially benefiting from poker in this form/investors in the sites) can belittle all they like, itÂ’s about multiple players noticing the same experience.

Unfortunately, these experiences are tarnished by the odd post from a random person saying they had aces beaten twice in a row and thatÂ’s why itÂ’s riggedÂ…. The investors on here jump on those cases to say how pathetic that is and in that instance they would be correct!

There is a very tiny amount of players that have managed to successfully adapt their game by noticing these tendencies, so sites know there will never be enough pressing the same experience/views to threaten exposure of their manipulations.

I am still a winning player overall, but the reason IÂ’m still a winning player is that like you, I have adapted my online game to realising what the deck will do next. I hate playing in this manner, but itÂ’s the only way to win online.

Many, many cases where I fold online, whereas if IÂ’m playing to true odds with a real deck, IÂ’m most likely raising. The difference between a real game and an online game is chalk and cheese. Decisions are made on where you can see the deck is leading things, not to what is correct and usually profitable play.

If what I am saying is untrue, how on earth am I a profitable player online whilst folding hands that would justify a call/raise in the real game? Could I ever be profitable folding the best hand or purposely avoiding certain situations time and time again with a real deck? Of course not.

I only play heads up and your post about letting the hands play out when a player is disconnected instead of stealing the opponents chips is a touch of genius! Personally IÂ’m too tight to let the opportunity go, but that really is one way to expose things.

I have noticed that in those situations my starting hands get bigger and bigger and bigger whilst IÂ’m raising them out of the game. ItÂ’s bizarre. I always dread a reconnect, even when IÂ’m like 2500-500 aheadÂ… I generally end up losing them games as the deck quickly evens things out. The opponent will be often pushing all in preflop, if you are disciplined and wait for a premium hand, you are still highly likely to double them up whatever.

I did have a situation on 888 poker playing Omaha heads up where after blatantly noticing it for some time, I started a tally chart. The situation was after my opponent had called off a big pot, where they were obviously beat, that decimated their stack. The next all in preflop, they auto won. Not only that, it was never anything but trips or better. Massive hands from a preflop situation, never wavering from it.

My tally chart got to 300+, no wins for me, always trips or better for my opponent. Not saying I didnÂ’t still go on to win the game, but this alarming feature was the reason I left 888. I told them the reason I was leaving and that despite me winning many of those games, the auto feature of that situation was untenable.

Around 3mnths later, 888 Poker removed all their sit and go heads up games and like all other sites, focused their whole poker set up towards the poor poker experience Blast (spin and go, twister etc on other sites) tournaments.

All sites focus on these now as the tournament structure means little poker is played and the high variance nature means manipulation is hugely less visible. I wonder why they would revert to their whole site premise to such tournaments, hmmmm?

Who would be so blind to why sites are all geared towards poor poker experience games, with the hugely remote chance of playing for a jackpot amount? Well we know at least 2, donÂ’t we!?

Johnmir

Even TheWaddy and a few others have adapted their games to beat the type of rig he agrees with your thinking exists, yet, as Slugant points out, you haven't shown that you can beat the micros as a demonstration of the changes necessary to win.

Why don't you play, say, forty today with the view of winning instead of losing and show us the results and the histories? Even winning only thirty of them would probably be acceptable to your followers.

Perhaps you would like to show us someday :p

Actually there are many long-term winners, and there are many Pro's.
These players prove they can beat the system!!
And yet you put your faith in a microstakes loser
Perhaps its those bets that make poker a disappointing and hard-hitting experience

The problem with the Moderator, Slugant and Don is that they think because players share a similar view, with similar observations, is that they are lying because they donÂ’t have the same results or that their opinions donÂ’t always match to a tee.

Some of what JonMir says goes completely over my head. Some of it is my experience to a tee.

Now, I hate the fact I have to play a certain way to combat a deck that is helping my opponent, but as JohnMir appears to be an intelligent guy, maybe he notices the deck tendencies but focuses on exposing it rather than wanting to play terrible poker in order to combat it.

Afterall, he mentions rather than ending a heads up game by raising a disconnected player and taking the cash, he says he lets the hand play out to observe the dynamics of what actually happensÂ…. As itÂ’s a unique experience to fully see what your opponent holds every hand.

I actually believe his quest means he would rather see the failing maths of online decks and record it, than to win the money uncontested.

Pretty unique.

I also think his intelligence does not allow him to (unlike me) drift into supporting online poker as it stands, by adapting his game so far from his normal game, just to win playing shite poker. HeÂ’s spending all his time trying to prove something that I believe he canÂ’t. There is no-one he could submit his information to who had the power/interest to change things even if he had the most damning evidence for a start.

My preference is to win playing shite poker, keeping it small and making players aware of the situation.

Only player power could ever change online poker, with regular daily strikes/non log ins. Sadly with forums being occupied by the standard belittling/bullying site reps, these people are being successful in preventing a build up of support.

No no, I am not calling you or John a liar for thinking the RNG is rigged. I just think its a view lacking of any evidence.

I call Johnmir a liar because he is. He introduces himself on multiple forums, youtube and other places as a professional. Yet we can all see his results and they are terrible.

You might think of him as intelligent because he shares a viewpoint with you, but you just disregard all the lies he makes up about himself... And not for one second has he rectified those. Yet you like to call other people liar or shill for stuff with zero proof.

I really wonder what you think of this and hope you can answer honestly:
For instance, we have all seen that Johnmir average stake is $ 0.43 over the last 6 years.
Do you think its OK for Johnmir to write everywhere that his games are $100 sng's ??
Do you think a person that lies about stuff like this is to be trusted in general?

You think John has a good understanding and knows the algorithm of the "playstation deck" very well.
I would argue, he doesnt. Since he just keeps losing.
If he did knew the algorithm like he thinks the results would have been better. So maybe he is not really the guy you can trust to have any expertise on the subject.

Lets put it this way waddy:
You think there is a conspiracy/algorithm/technique, whatever you wanna call it, that is influecing sports betting in a secret way.
When gathering tips on how to this algorithm works would you rather hear from the guy who is a professional at sports betting or the guy who hasnt won a bet in 6 years??

And regarding your "none bother to support their findings to get change"

You do realize you are one of these people right?
All you do is blindly tell stories about bad beats, avalanches of 4 outers, same people hitting every <20%, 28 favorites lost in a row...

This could be telling evidence, especially the same guys luckboxing each time.
But you havent shown even 1%. Nothing, Nada, Zilch.
Why arent you supporting your findings????

Mike, you are right here. That while most players are unable to analize my materials, it could be a good idea to play micros in a result-oriented mode.

Because some of the "rooms defenders" appeal to "the game avolves" statement. It sounds funny, since we talk about micro-gaming, where pure newcomers of the game play for fun )) But, yes, I should probably play some result-oriented micros. I will think about that. Thank you for the comment.

Brb, working days don't let me participate often enough, guys.

Hope to attentively read the messages tomorrow, but I noticed this phrase of TheWaddy -

TheWaddy, exactly.
I decided to concentrate on stopping this fooling. I found it as a good motivation to keep my participating in the games.

The funny thing is that guys call me "stupid", while I was "reasonable" enough to move to a heads-up game and to take a chance checking every hand VS a sitting-out opponent, to see all his hands and to watch, what does the software really deal. And you are right, thank you for pointing this out, I did that, in stead of stealing the money!

I can understand, why you play online, and why it is interesting for you. There might be many reasons for that actually (confortable playing at home in a convenient time, competiting, enjoying playing poker). But, yes, TheWaddy, I'm not interested in playing this "rigged" games to be fair. We all are different, you know.

Also, regarding the income and the money - I refused playing on several poker sites, having 30%+ ROI! Because in my opinion this ROI level is simply unacceptable for poker. I'm not ready to waste my real life abilities and to be limited by some other people (the room owners). It's a principal stuff, you know - I wanna earn as much, as I really deserve, according to my real professionalism. But it is a special topic in the modern world, lol. Nowadays, it's not enough to be a pro to earn money. You always have to "play" to reach "deserved results". And I'm "playing" pretty well, but seriously participate in a rigged gaming - it's not my path, really. I can do more, I hope so.

TheWaddy, thank you for understanding, really. My motivation is not too obvious for many people.. ))