Struggling OOP against a wide range
NL Holdem 0.05(BB)
HERO ($7.18) [VPIP: 25.2% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 36.8% | Flop Agg: 42.3% | Turn Agg: 38.6% | River Agg: 27.5% | 3Bet: 7.5% | 4Bet: 6.6% | Cold Call: 12.7% | Hands: 108395]
CO ($5.03) [VPIP: 38.7% | PFR: 35.5% | AGG: 29.4% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | River Agg: 25% | 3Bet: 18.2% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 31]
BTN ($6.48) [VPIP: 41.5% | PFR: 19.5% | AGG: 40.7% | Hands: 44]
SB ($5.05) [VPIP: 7.7% | PFR: 7.7% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 26]
Dealt to Hero: 4♠ 5♠
CO Raises To $0.19, BTN Folds, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.14
Hero SPR on Flop: [10.3 effective]
Flop ($0.47): 4♦ 3♠ 9♥
HERO Checks, CO Checks
Turn ($0.47): 4♦ 3♠ 9♥ 6♦
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.23 (Rem. Stack: $4.61), HERO Calls $0.23 (Rem. Stack: $6.76)
River ($0.93): 4♦ 3♠ 9♥ 6♦ T♠
HERO Checks, CO Bets $0.89 (Rem. Stack: $3.72), HERO Calls $0.89 (Rem. Stack: $5.87)
- I feel like 3betting pre is too wide against UTG open
- Looking, back is x/r the turn and x/folding the river a better line?
10 Replies
River should just be a fold. For that sizing.
Pre is bad. It's almost a 4x open. 3bet or fold.
Also villain isn't UTG he's CO. Huge difference.
You are correct, better to xraise turn! You have all the straights,sets and 2pairs in your range! So xraise Big Ott
if he calls bet river hard! The T is perfect! Itdoesnt complete flushes and its an overcard to the 9.
Be brave!
Yeah 3-bet pre is too loose, flat’s fine. Turn x/r is prob the better play since you’ve got trips and can rep strong, river call feels torchy vs that sizing.
Thanks for posting the hand.
I do not like calling low suited connectors from the BB, especially into an almost 4x open. With so few hands, I would rate such a big opening size as very top-heavy. I would've folded pre.
Anyways: What is his range?
I'd ask myself if he has different opening sizings, and since the answer is more often than not yes, I think his opening large preflop range looks to me a lot like suited broadways: AJs+, KQs+, AKo, 99+.
After V checks back the flop, I think we can rule out most of his overpairs—TT-QQ and maybe half of KK—as they would start betting the flop. AA sometimes, and more often 99, will check back the flop, as people often slowplay top pair/set on dry boards.
So on the turn, his range consists of a lot of (broadway) air, flush draws, some AA, and some 99. I don't really know how to further deduce his range after he bets 50% pot, as I sometimes see people telegraph their hand strength through sizing, and sometimes people only bet half pot on flops. I recommend the check-raise here. 2.5x-3x, as you can not go super large because his range contains the nuts. - just a sizing to fold out the overcards.
As played: What is his range on the river? Big sizing is generally not balanced with bluffs but almost always value-heavy, especially in microstakes. So even though his range contains a lot of air, I don't think he would turn all the ace combos into bluffs—my guess is a pocket pair, mainly 99. I'd have folded river.
To sum it up: when the low board comes, I think it is easier for you to represent something on it as he has fewer low cards in his opening range. In my opinion, check-raise turn is the play, especially after V bets only around half pot.
The advice on 2+2 from where it was years ago is pretty sad to see. You should be leading the turn. I don't know understand why you are checking. When he checks back the flop unless hes doing some weird trap he just has high cards and we are in the bb our range hits that board hard. We have 2 pair, straights, sets here. We crush this board. You do have a pair and its not a great one but you do need to value protect your lower pairs sometimes when an opponent checks the flop. This check rasing the turn and bluffing the river is nonsense. You don't have to this espn main event play in this spot to go viral on X for a very simple situation. You just lead the turn. I can't believe not one person said to lead the turn. I mean come on guys this is a very easy spot. You guys should know this or you trolling him I don't know.
You got 2 pair and sets here you are going to the lead the turn not check and hope he bets. If he checks back again its a disaster for your made hands. So you have to balance it out leading with some marginal hands too cause our range crushes this board when he checks back the flop. Now what you want to bet on the turn is up to you. If a player is more tricky I would probably go for a smaller sizing on the turn if they are more abc id probably size up to make him fold over cards. And if its player that over folds with made hands I might do a over bet on the turn to try to get him off 88 or some pair under 9s. But that comes down to your reads on that particular opponent if you want to take a more exploitative approach against someone you have bigger sample size against.
You are correct, better to xraise turn! You have all the straights,sets and 2pairs in your range! So xraise Big Ott
if he calls bet river hard! The T is perfect! Itdoesnt complete flushes and its an overcard to the 9.
Be brave!
It is to thin to do this to build a big pot and we are out of position. You can do this is villain over folds to aggression but without reads you are putting hero in a bad spot going to the river. You guys must be watch to much espn main event bluffs or high stakes poker. They are doing it to go viral so everyone gets impressed. I know its not sexy play to lead the turn but that is the proper play.
River should just be a fold. For that sizing.
Pre is bad. It's almost a 4x open. 3bet or fold.
Its not a bad call pre because the villain seems passive post flop. If he is more aggressive then yes its bad. Its not a great call its marginal. It would depend if this the normal sizing from villain pre flop. 3b would be bad. Cause you have to 3b a lot bigger against almost 4x raising and now your playing this huge pot out of position against a player that seems to want to see flops with very marginal hand. That would be worse then calling pre.
Fold pre.
As played, X/C flop, lead turn. Fold river as played.
The advice on 2+2 from where it was years ago is pretty sad to see. You should be leading the turn. I don't know understand why you are checking. When he checks back the flop unless hes doing some weird trap he just has high cards and we are in the bb our range hits that board hard. We have 2 pair, straights, sets here. We crush this board. You do have a pair and its not a grea
Thanks for your insight.
But come on, Praising the good ol' times - what for? Your Post just makes me, who is trying to get active here, feel very not invited here.
Furthermore, i feel like that nobody answered lead the turn is partly because OP asked precisely whether to stick to his line or xr turn xfold river.
Anways: I like multiple aspects in your post(s).
a) seeing an argument for calling bigger opens OOP because V is prob a passive player post after he played the present hand passive on the flop.
b) leading turn with 3rd pair because our range contains many strong holdings and we can protect our weak made hands like this pair of 4s.
But im not entirely sold on this play in this particular situation. -> if we read him as passive, doesn't his check-back range OTF then contain a lot of better weak hands that just call us down? im thinking all the a4 & a6, 55-88? Maybe if its a truly passive player even TPGK is possible as a checkback OTF? Passive tendencies tend to come along with overcalling tendencies.
What is your play on the river if you lead 75% (to target his overcards) and he calls? River comes as played and action is on you?
My thoughts: after calling a bet this big he would have middling pocketspairs and some weak9s,some 9T twopair + some flushdraw broadways from which some have toppair now - Do we lead 90% because it should get folds from the 55,77,88, and all the air and some of the weak9s? he would have to call us with some of that - and i think passive players lean more towards calling. so next option? xf river because a passive player would underbluff and therefore we can easily fold here?
thanks 😀