Are there any GTO approved triple barrel bluffs?
Are there any GTO approved triple barrel bluffs?

Are there any GTO approved triple barrel bluffs?

I created various scenarios in which I was the original raiser and the villain checked on every street, however, it seems my solver never triple barrels with airballs. It doesn't matter if I'm IP or OOP, if the board is dry or wet, or how many scare cards appear, it always suggests giving up on the river if I miss.

Can anyone suggest spots for GTO triple barrel bluffs? Thanks in advance.

01 September 2025 at 12:31 PM
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You must have something badly misconfigured or aren't looking in the right place because it's harder to find spots where the aggressor wouldn't triple barrel any air. Not sure off the top of my head what you could have set wrong. Can you send details or screengrabs of your abstractions and the output you're looking at?

Here's a screengrab of the first spot I pulled up:



For example...

Senario 1

Hero: As Js

LJ folds
HJ folds
CO folds
BU (Hero) raises 2.5bb
SB folds
BB (villain) calls

Flop: Ks Th 5c

BB checks
BU bets 1.4bb
BB calls

Turn: 9s

BB checks
BU bets 11.2bb
BB calls

River: 2d

BB checks
BU checks

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Senario 2

Hero: Qh Jd

LJ folds
HJ folds
CO folds
BU (Hero) raises 2.5bb
SB folds
BB (villain) calls

Flop: Ks 5c 9h

BB checks
BU bets 1.4bb
BB calls

Turn: As

BB checks
BU bets 6.6 bb
BB calls

River: 6c

BB checks
BU checks


Finally looks like I found something...

Hero: 6c 5c

LJ folds
HJ folds
CO folds
BU (Hero) raises 2.5bb
SB folds
BB (villain) calls

Flop: 3c 9c 2h

BB checks
BU bets 1.4bb
BB calls

Turn: As

BB checks
BU bets 11.2bb
BB calls

River: Jd

BB checks
BU All in 85bb


by Dotere m

For example...Senario 1Hero: As JsLJ foldsHJ foldsCO foldsBU (Hero) raises 2.5bbSB foldsBB (villain) callsFlop: Ks Th 5cBB checksBU bets 1.4bbBB callsTurn: 9sBB checksBU bets 11.2bbBB callsRiver: 2dBB checksBU checks----------------------------------------Senario 2Hero: Qh JdLJ foldsHJ foldsCO foldsBU (Hero) raises 2.5bbSB foldsBB (villain) callsFlop: Ks 5c 9hBB checksBU bets 1

Just looked at similar scenario to #2 in PIO, and it is indeed barreling QJo about 50% of the time:


I need more specifics about your inputs and outputs: what tool you're using, what the bet sizing options are, is it literally betting 0.0% with those hands, are there other unmade combos that are betting, etc. It might be best to do a screengrab because whatever you're doing wrong is probably an unknown-unknown, so to speak. You don't know what you're doing wrong so you don't know what to highlight.

Given how you're describing the outputs, I have a feeling the misinterpretation is happening there? Describing it as though button "has" a particular combo and "checks" with it doesn't sound like a solver output at all. Maybe this is a study tool or trainer of some type? For example, it's telling you the "correct" answer is check because you're "only" "supposed" to bet 49% of the time with that particular combo or something?


It's called "Poker Solver+ GTO for Holdem" and I run it on dpplayer on my PC. It's quite cheapish, tbh.

As for QJo:

Flop


Turn


River



Is there a way to see how it plays its entire range? Note it is showing QJ as having slightly positive EV for betting, but it has slightly higher EV for a check because it is the nut-high hand. I would also note another of the scenarios you showed was AJ-high, which also likely has positive expectation for a check.

The one bluff you did find was 6-high, which obviously has no SDV.

What you are finding is perhaps not that it's hard to find favorable *situations* to triple barrel bluff, but that you are looking at the wrong hand *selection* for doing it.


Yes.. I'm not familiar with solvers at all. I usually just import hands I lost badly and see what I "could have done differently," but that's not always possible. A lot of players at NL5/NL10 limp/call from early positions, so you can't analyze those hands. Also, in Solver+, you cannot analyze multiway pots.

Note it is showing QJ as having slightly positive EV for betting, but it has slightly higher EV for a check because it is the nut-high hand

Could you ELI5 this? What's the difference between positive and higher EV?

Also what do you think of "solver+" as a tool? Is it any decent? Thanks


Are there any GTO approved triple barrel bluffs?

Yes every triple barrel contains bluffs, otherwise your opponent would have to incentive to pay off your value bets.

I created various scenarios in which I was the original raiser and the villain checked on every street, however, it seems my solver never triple barrels with airballs. It doesn't matter if I'm IP or OOP, if the board is dry or wet, or how many scare cards appear, it always suggests giving up on the river if I miss.

You are misinterpreting your solver. Try looking at the range strategy instead of the hand strategy.

Senario 2

Hero: Qh Jd

LJ folds
HJ folds
CO folds
BU (Hero) raises 2.5bb
SB folds
BB (villain) calls

Flop: Ks 5c 9h

BB checks
BU bets 1.4bb
BB calls

Turn: As

BB checks
BU bets 6.6 bb
BB calls

River: 6c

BB checks
BU checks

Running this through GTO Wizard.:

QJ is a typical give-up


But there are still tons of bluffs. 22-44 are bluffing. Straight blockers with a or an 8 are standard bluffs (98, 97, J7, Q7s, Q8, etc).

Here I've filtered for the trash hands in range:


Could you ELI5 this? What's the difference between positive and higher EV?

Also what do you think of "solver+" as a tool? Is it any decent? Thanks

He means checking makes more money than betting, despite the fact that both of these options are +EV (better than folding).

Solver+ is garbage. It was my first solver before GTO Wizard. The interface is clean I'll give it that, but the solution quality is questionable.


p.s. if you want to see the ranges in your app, just click the magnifying glass.



You are misinterpreting your solver. Try looking at the range strategy instead of the hand strategy.

I apologize for my ignorance, but why should I look at my range when I already know what hand I have?

Also, are you saying I should play my whole range the same way?

Solver+ is garbage. It was my first solver before GTO Wizard. The interface is clean I'll give it that, but the solution quality is questionable.

Yeah I'm not sure about the quality either. I just hope that its results are not too far off from the GTO.


You asked if there were any GTO approved triple barrel bluffs. If you open the range view you can see what hands are bluffing.

why should I look at my range when I already know what hand I have?

I've made a video answering that question: https://youtu.be/D3_EhQoXGt8?si=XS9C3WcF...


by Dotere m

You are misinterpreting your solver. Try looking at the range strategy instead of the hand strategy.

I apologize for my ignorance, but why should I look at my range when I already know what hand I have?

Well, you don't "have" the hand, unless you're cheating and using this tool while you play. More than likely, you won't hold specifically Qh Jd on specifically Ks 5c 9h As 6c as the PFR, flop cbettor and turn barreller in BU vs BB again for another million+ hands. So at best, understanding how to play spots one combo at a time is extremely slow and inefficient.

At worst, looking at a single hand without understanding the range's strategy can be outright misleading, which is the source of your query in the first place: by only looking at a single hand, you were mislead to believe you shouldn't be bluffing in these spots.

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