Gavin Newsom- modern day slaver

I must recant a bit

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Gavin controls about 50,000 slaves in California who work for $.75 cents an hour.

Is there any individual in the US who is responsible for more slaves?

I do believe those prisoners volunteer for the jobs . Worse is Kamala that kept them in prison to fight fires

A thread on the future 2028 Democratic candidate for president may be good

Pretty sure for many of them is mandated by law in California.

Which is why some people even attempted to change the state constitution to forbid that recently (prop 6)

It narrowly failed 46.5 - 53.5 (simple majority would have been enough)

So given californian voters recently confirmed they are ok with state sponsored slavery, i don't feel like we can claim Newsom is the cause for that slavery to exist.

Newsom can order the prison system to stop using it as punishment. He chooses not to. Therefore, he is responsible for it.

It turns out that Texas is a bit worse than California , I think 150k slaves vs 50k

So Gavin Newsom and Greg Abbot are the largest slavers in the western world

Gavin Newsom truly living rent free in the heads of maga spastics. Love it.

I did find this online but no it would not change my opinion.

“ Quote:
California's Assembly Bill 475, effective March 2025, will transition to a voluntary work program for incarcerated individuals, moving away from mandatory work requirements.”

Thank God!

Oh good. Time to close this thread.

Well since unions in the U.S. are at an all time low , seems yes wages should follow the trend .
“But hey , maybe they just pay their training in return , so they get less .
Like school.”

Maybe the stupidest ****ing thread in a long ass time

Now do red states 😀

Newsome also loves gleefully destroying the only possessions of the nation's poorest citizens. hes truly a perfect liberal.

At least ~half the country views Ca as a full on communist state lol How do you propose getting people to support anything when just uttering the word socialism is enough to kill many good ideas? I'm no fan of the guy but the only way we're ever going strongly left is with public support. Arguing against everyone on an already weak left seems counter-productive no?

Hey lets remember Gavin's the one that ran on universal state healthcare and had the super majority to pass it but got bought off
Was the high speed rail Gavin's baby as well

His latest promise of small homes for the homeless at 700 mill I do believe and built by Oct this year. Not even a shovel in the ground but were is the money

I can remember way back when I thought this guy was a shoe in for president . Who knows

How many prisoners does this even affect? It’s very strange that I’m not able to find info about it online.

I think Californians have tired of a soft-on-crime approach so it’s looked at as politically damaging to enact any type of prison/criminal justice reform.

Cali didnt exactly become its beacon of success over the decades solely because of left wing ideals. But you could defintiely argue that some left wing ideas has definitely put some downword pressure on the state - now Trump wants to handicap the best of the left wing principles to completely put the state into a tailspin.

Im not a lefty obv but I really dont think the "left" needs either the support of the right who view them as communists or for all the dems to hold hands and shout out public support for everything to get better.

They just need their policies to work so they can be felt in a tangible way for the people. And i think they can do that but they havent really dont an outstanding job as of late.

even if I agreed with this incremental, pragmatic approach, Newsome cant even fulfill the bare minimum.

the CDCR can mandate as many hours of work for able bodied prisoners as it wishes by law.

the exact definition of able bodies, the mandated hours and exceptions can and do change at any time so there is no clear data.

but every single state prisoner is potentially "enslavable" by the state of California, legally.

I am not necessarily against prison work but it should be part of a sentence by a court of law for a crime that specifically by statute allows that sentencing, I kinda abhor the idea that bureaucrats can, after the fact, enslave you as long as you are in prison.

Punishment for crimes must be certain and clear and predictable by statute.

I have relatives approx in your political tribe (technocratic center left) who can vote in California and they were all in favor of abolishing state sponsored slavery (which again for me is a tad too much but possibly better than the current legal situation)

Is killing prisoner less a problem then force prisoner to work in prison ?

If the death penalty was clearly stated as a possible penalty for a crime before you commit it, while work in prison wasn't, then obviously yes?

And btw yes dying is better than becoming a slave if you actually like freedom. Death is very very very very very far from being the worst possible outcome of an event. Like not even in the bottom 20%.

If they cut both your arms or legs that's a lot worse than death already. If they lobotomize you, same thing. If they torture your children, same thing. List of stuff that is worse than death is very very long.

But we are talking about work right ?
You know billions of people do work everyday in the world we live in .

Ps: u are a fervent anti minimum wage correct ?
They just get paid below minimum wages , should be fine for you …?
Now you call them slaves ?

Slavery is about unvoluntary work. Like you know sex can be fine, while forced sex is rape. Forced work is slavery. That's never fine. There could be rare niche cases where it makes sense but even if we remove them, it's ok.

While really bad people should just die because paying even one euro to keep them alive is a moral mistake, no resources should be spent on them, and society is better if they die. While slavery helps no one. It's just punishment for the sake of punishment.

I am in favor of vast uses of the death penalty because *it resolves problems*. Slavery doesn't.

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