Could I get away from this KTs?
We just entered an FT in my favorite manner - as the shortest stack - but I think I fukced it up a little (again). I called pre cause of 1bb to 6bb odds and KTs. I was hoping for a flush or a straight draw ofc but the K was “ok” too I guess. The board could have been better tho. So I subconsciously jammed and THEN I started thinking: AA, KK, AK, KQ, KJ, JJ, 66. That’s 7 hands that I will be mad about. What I beat is: QQ, AJ, QJ and maybe AQ if he decides to call with as a big stack here, but there’s another guy in the pot so I think he’d drop AQ. I don’t think he’d go here further with TT-77 because of the very same reason. He could have called me with diamonds but that’s a wishful thinking I guess. Help me out pls
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He could also have (and thus call with: K9-K8, some JT-J9 and ATo but the last one he’d probably fold as he could do with AQ here cause of the 20bb stack in the hand with us)
12bb to stare the hand and you flop top pair? I don't think you can get away from it, although I don't think donk-jamming is the best way to play it, and there may be action that lets you get away if you check.
12bb to stare the hand and you flop top pair? I don't think you can get away from it, although I don't think donk-jamming is the best way to play it, and there may be action that lets you get away if you check.
I was afraid of check check check and a diamond ott cause the ccc would eventually happen if I did check, cause of THE HAND he called me with. B/F I didn’t even consider
But yes I agree I could fold my way out of it if I checked here if he didn’t have THAT HAND or other two hands that would result in check-trapping by him
MF tank-called just to cause a scene
I was afraid of check check check and a diamond ott cause the ccc would eventually happen if I did check, cause of THE HAND he called me with. B/F I didn’t even consider
Seems to be a recurring theme where you're worried about a narrow set of worst-case outcomes instead of the overall most profitable play.
You focused your strategy on the parlay of a) the flop checking through, b)a diamond hitting (11/47, as far as you know), and c)someone having two diamonds.
Which means you're really betting on b)at 9/47 and on someone having the other two diamonds and UTG not betting when he is the one with the two diamonds.
How often is all of that the case? Does it make sense to target our betting strategy to that specific set of outcomes?
Seems to be a recurring theme where you're worried about a narrow set of worst-case outcomes instead of the overall most profitable play.You focused your strategy on the parlay of a) the flop checking through, b)a diamond hitting (11/47, as far as you know), and c)someone having two diamonds.Which means you're really betting on b)at 9/47 and on someone having the other two diam
You’re right. The problem is that from my point of view my hand was only good OTF, it was far from close-to-nuts (I was afraid he might have AK, KQ or KJ), but if he didn’t have these specific three hands (I didn’t consider 66, JJ and KK specifically due to projected probability laws and in my K blocker), then I guessed it’s my last chance to act as a possible best hand at the moment and donk autistically with 11bb to 7bb before re r/calls me with AJ and hits his A otr. I wanted to close the hand asap, avoiding showdown
Yeah jamming top pair short at an FT is pretty torchy, you’re running into better Kx and overpairs way too often. Sometimes they call light, but mostly you’re crushed.
He had KK ofc
I would xrai, not donk jam. No, you can't get away from this.
Agree with this. You've got to consider what you would do with your whole range. Check and give him an opportunity to bluff. Then when you check raise AI he might feel priced in to call with something like AQ.
As played you allow your opponents to play perfectly. The hands they might bluff with just fold and they call with their stronger hands.
That being said you've only got 12 BB and you flopped top pair. You should rarely ever be folding here. Sometimes in poker you're just set up to lose. It doesn't necessarily mean you made a mistake.
Yeah jamming top pair short at an FT is pretty torchy, you’re running into better Kx and overpairs way too often. Sometimes they call light, but mostly you’re crushed.
I'm not sure I understand your point. He called pre and hit TP medium kicker OTF with a SPR of a little bit more than 1,5. His only mistake was jamming, thereby risking both other players will fold. His job here is to find the line that maximizes his chances of double up. Also note that he was the shortest stack at the table. That means his strategy at the FT isn't primarily waiting for smaller stacks to bust and ladder, but to look for a good spot to GII. A spot that just manifested itself here.
before re r/calls me with AJ and hits his A otr. I wanted to close the hand asap, avoiding showdown
Getting your stack in with your opponent drawing to 5 outs is a situation you should seek out, not avoid.
Again, you're playing scared. And the lines you take when you play scared ensure you only get your money in against hands that have you crushed.
He probably tank-called to try to dupe the SB into coming along.
I'm not sure I understand your point. He called pre and hit TP medium kicker OTF with a SPR of a little bit more than 1,5. His only mistake was jamming, thereby risking both other players will fold. His job here is to find the line that maximizes his chances of double up. Also note that he was the shortest stack at the table. That means his strategy at the FT isn't primarily wa
Yeah, I don't agree with donk-jamming, but I think "you're running into better Kx and overpairs way too often" is probably not true, since there just aren't that many of those hands. (And overpairs? There's one possible.)
The donk jam does more or less allow our opponents to play perfectly (we might get called by K9s-K8 if UTG opened those, and nut flush draws), which is the real problem.
The donk shove isn't that terrible on this board, but other approaches may be slightly better. You could do it as a semibluff looking for FE. You could have a flush draw, or QT/AQ maybe with a backdoor flush draw.
If the raiser is likely to cbet, crai gets a bigger pot if you bet/folds. If you are going to donk, maybe better to be less than half pot and usually shove the turn, rather than overbetting the flop.
That's just your unlucky day.
In GTO land KTs is also a very shovable hand pre-flop both with or without call from SB, folding out KQo KJo and weak Ace.
