Showing cards when all in (and before decided how many times to run it) do you show?
Bug bearer of mine is people not showing cards . I often shout "cards over!" as you would in a tournament but not eve
Not at all unfamiliar. But it has nothing to do with this discussion about a cash game. It isn't a uncommon tournament rule but if you understand its purpose you understand why it is not used in most cash games. It is not needed.
And still unrelated to what you had stated. But not a surprise since you did not even know that RIT doesn't change EV and holdings don't matter.
Just because I don't play tournaments doesn't mean I am unfamiliar with them and the rules. I watch plenty, I just don't play them since they have not been common here for a very long time. Plus can make more here playing deepstack cash.
All players are required to table their hand when a player is all in and no more action is possible … in a TOURNAMENT. In a cash game the rule is different. There are varying house rules that dictate who must act first (show or muck) at showdown, but players are not required to show cards in a cash game when someone is all in. The rule is exactly the same as it is for non-all in situations.
Of course if you want to make a claim on the pot, you must show unless all other players already have mucked.
Driving through London on the right side of the road yelling "Clearly you’ve never been in Rome" at all the people honking at me.
Important distinction: Most show once it's been agreed to run it multiple times.
Some show over the course of deciding how many times to run it, some don't, but it's not clear what the common response would be to someone yelling "Cards over!" and then saying "I'll decide whether I wanna RIT once I see your hole cards." My prior is that that would raise people's hackles and make them defensive. Not enough of a sample to really know, but then again I don't watch a lot of streams.
Listen, we don't "need to see what people have" unless they are making a claim to the pot. We may want to see, because it makes for a fun sweat, but if they want to surrender the pot in order to hide what they went AI with, that is their (admittedly dumb) prerogative.
In a tournament, the rule is to show to avoid make sure there is no collusion. In cash there is no such rule, as we're not really worried about chip dumping (though someone might invoke IWTSTH if they think the two players are whipsawing a third party).
Personally, I always flip once AI, because I hate the dick dance about who has to show and I think it makes for a lighter atmosphere at the table, which can in turn loosen up the game. But if a V wants to keep their hand hidden and quietly slip it into the muck if they miss or triumphantly slam it down if they hit, fine. As long as they don't slow roll me, I don't care much.
What garrick said, except I don't really care even if they do try a slow roll. Who gives a ****, it was never going to be your pot.
Important distinction: Most show once it's been agreed to run it multiple times.Some show over the course of deciding how many times to run it, some don't, but it's not clear what the common response would be to someone yelling "Cards over!" and then saying "I'll decide whether I wanna RIT once I see your hole cards." My prior is that that would raise people's hackles and make
Uh no. There is no must show once agree to RIT or more. Don’t have to show until you wish to claim the pot.
That discussion is unrelated from you trying to force a phrase that you invented and that nobody agrees with.
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Listen, we don't "need to see what people have" unless they are making a claim to the pot. We may want to see, because it makes for a fun sweat, but if they want to surrender the pot in order to hide what they went AI with, that is their (admittedly dumb) prerogative. In a tournament, the rule is to show to avoid make sure there is no collusion. In cash there is no such rule,
This is correct.
I say cards over and some people just do it as at matter of course (like a tourney) but if someone is determined not to show it then oh well.. the moment is gone and we just deal it.
The cards over DOES make a large amount of people decide to show. Also if you go first and just show your own hand, the other person may also do it.
The dealer puts the 2 lots of cards face up and to the side of the rectangle ready for the board.
I say cards over and some people just do it as at matter of course (like a tourney) but if someone is determined not to show it then oh well.. the moment is gone and we just deal it.
I'm still confused why you wouldn't always say something like, "Shall we flip them?", rather than bark an order at someone that they have every right to refuse.
This is just Social Skills 101. Even spectrum nerds should be able to understand this.
Unless you're playing a game where they charge extra rake to run it twice, it's not really an EV thing. Often the discussion of whether to run it twice takes much longer than it would to just run it out. So I say just set a simple policy (if pot is over X, how many buyins you have left in your wallet, whatever) and stick to it. Don't waste brain power coming up with a detailed strategy where none is needed.
This is correct.I say cards over and some people just do it as at matter of course (like a tourney) but if someone is determined not to show it then oh well.. the moment is gone and we just deal it. The cards over DOES make a large amount of people decide to show. Also if you go first and just show your own hand, the other person may also do it. The dealer puts the 2 lots
You are representing the house and you are supposed to be running the game. When you make a "demand" by saying cards over, you are literally giving an "order" against the rules.
Of course some folks will listen to you and comply, but what you did is still wrong. The fact that it does "MAKE a large amount..." (emphasis added) just makes your actions worse. You are NOT supposed to MAKE them do it.
Plus, you started this thread not by SAYING cards over. You claimed you SHOUT that order. I can think of very few if any situations the dealer (i.e. the house) needs to be shouting at players.
Just let the players decide if they wish to show or not. No need to interject into their decision.
I've noticed that baseball batters will often swing the bat when I shout "SWING BATTER!". I must be causing them to do that.
You are representing the house and you are supposed to be running the game. When you make a "demand" by saying cards over, you are literally giving an "order" against the rules.Of course some folks will listen to you and comply, but what you did is still wrong. The fact that it does "MAKE a large amount..." (emphasis added) just makes your actions worse. You are NOT supposed to
you misunderstand. I say in a friendly way, i don't bark it. I just something like "ok folks cards over" or sometimes just "cards over". If someone doesn't want to then just gotta shrug and move on.
Also don't forget I'm dealing tournaments just as often as cash so my "cards over" thing is correct. There is no difference to me.... I just deal in an identical way when im in charge of the felt...tourny or cash alike... and it's the right thing to do
It's only the correct thing to do in a tournament if at least one player is all-in. Otherwise showdown proceeds in order just like for a cash game.
IMO people getting their panties in a bunch about the dealer encouraging players to table their hands by saying something generic (particularly if it's the same thing he says at the end of every hand) is completely overblown.
Having said that, your furious defensiveness that what you're doing is totally fine is way worse. You're actually wrong, and if you care at all you should think about what people here are telling you, and consider if you'd like to improve your skills.
It's only the correct thing to do in a tournament if at least one player is all-in. Otherwise showdown proceeds in order just like for a cash game.IMO people getting their panties in a bunch about the dealer encouraging players to table their hands by saying something generic (particularly if it's the same thing he says at the end of every hand) is completely overblown.Having
ok point taken.
I stand by the saying "cards over" bit does make some people do it and we therefore get the desired situation of watching the hand unfold... and all the ooooo ahhhhss that go with it. Then we may run the whole thing again for the 2nd board and repeat the process. Really is a better way of doing it than the miserable cards down especially when running it twice (we don't know if you've won the 1st one or not! that IMO is madness.
Just gonna repost this because, while it might just seem snarky and beside the point, I think it's maybe the most important question in the thread.
I’m sorry, was the point of this thread to ask a question or were you just expressing your personal pet peeve in the form of a question?
OP, if you're claiming to come at this with a genuinely curious and open mind, in what world would you have reconsidered your behavior? What response were you hoping for that would give you a new perspective on this scenario?
No matter people's preference for showing their own cards or their desired outcome for these situations, we're all telling you the least you can do is clearly communicate your thoughts and feelings. Free yourself from the shackles and misunderstandings of "Cards over" and achieve the nirvana of clarity with your fellow compadres.
