Hand2 vs whale
2/5 8 handed
Villain is a huge whale with some aggro tendencies. She's new to the game. She would lift her cards high up in the air that her neighbors would see her cards.
She does random bluffs like check/minraise with a middle pair hand on river. Or pot river with random bluffs. Most of her bluffs were on river.
Then a friendly guy teaches her not to bluff as a beginner, she listened to his advice and owned him with thick valuebet on river, her teacher looked her up light.
But she still randomly bluffs out of nowhere occasionally.
Oh, she has called down multiple times with a pair for multiple streets, turned out opponent was bluffing with air.
She floats flop super light like kj on 779 multiway pot with 2 players behind yet to act. Folded to turn small shove(1/3 pot or less) though.
She also floats oop w/T7 on KJ6r, then turn Q donkship pot????
She coldcalls a gigantic raise w/47o on A23ss vs 1 bet 1 caller 1 huge raise in a limp multiway pot.
Effective stacks about 800-900.
some limpers
V limps in HJ
Hero in Btn isolates to 35 w/A♠9♣
BB calls (passive but tricky/trappy)
V calls
Pot 110
Flop A♥K♠6♣
BB checks, V donks 20????
Hero calls
Bb calls
Pot 170
Turn 5♦
all check
Riv 5♣
V bets 50
H calls
bb folds
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Then a friendly guy teaches her not to bluff as a beginner, she listened to his advice and owned him with thick valuebet on river, her teacher looked her up light.
This made me laugh far more than it should have.
Not thrilled with any option at any point, but I think it all seems OK. Nobody has shown any major interest in the hand. You are probably quite face up but who cares.
as played calling river is fine.
I could get behind a raise on the flop to say 50 to get a better read on BBs range.
If BB wasn’t in by the river I could get behind a river raise to try to get her off a chop (if she’s that dumb that is).
I do everything the same except usually raise smaller pre but I guess it's down to table conditions. I also don't know what her limping range is from your description but assume its full of nonsense that A9o is ahead of.
I don't "isolate" w/ this hand, personally -- maybe if she was the only limper, but not with multiple limpers. The rest is fine.
I'd bet the turn - you should have the best hand and maybe you'll get one more bet from worse hands. No one will x/r you light given effective stacks - we don't really need equity protection but I think it's easier to get a street of value on the turn instead of the river.
Spoiler
V shows K9
We won.
Imho, the best play was my preflop raise. Against most fish I'd probably need ATo or better.
Other than that, I was just scared in game. We hit tpnk but against a whale that's good enough to go for 2streets of thick value.
V donks super small, not sure what it means we can interpret it as weakness until proven otherwise
We should just raise to 100.
Turn is blank, when they both check I think I need to bomb it. I was scared of bb have 2ps/sets or whatever I was afraid of.
The line I took postflop was a scared money line, vs normal opponents it's fine. Vs a whale I'm losing out like couple hundred of value.
With limpers, I probably just fold -- it totally depends on who is in the hand, stacks, etc. In my game, people limp w/ AT+ all the time, so A9o is at best a limp from the BTN if I can outplay the limpers. Usually it's just a fold.
Again, it depends. Against my player pool, I am more likely to raise 65s. ATo is like A9o, basically. I would rarely raise K8s.
This would change in a different game... We know nothing about the limpers in this hand. We were called by a tricky/trappy BB, though.
Am I correct that you would fold ATo or A9o if any limpers were calling stations but raise if they might fold? Raising with ATo or A9o here is not a value bet. It’s a bluff to take down the pot, maybe rake free, and set up later calls with value. I always appreciate your analysis, javanewt.
I actually posted about A6 - A9 in the low strat thread, and most people said just fold them. Raising A9o is not isolating in my games. They limp w/ any suited A and any pair up to and including AA/KK, and if they limp, they almost always call. They will usually limp/raise (shove) AA/KK. If I raise A9/To, get callers, and flop an A, I am usually toast 😉 Now, in Vegas or somewhere that the games are different, I'll raise them.
Back to this hand: We know nothing about the limpers in this game, but I'm very surprised they all folded to OP's raise. I mean, this is 2/5, what the heck are they doing? I wouldn't even consider trying to "isolate" in a 2/5 game with limpers w/ A9o. Must be one of the best 2/5 games around if they are limp folding for $35 -- or OP has the nittiest image possible and he knows "only" the whale will call -- although he did get called by a passive trappy/tricky player, which kind of sucks w/ A9o, but it worked out.
We "isolated" w/ A9o, flopped an A, and didn't even try to extract money from the "whale."
I would probably start off with a huge preflop ISO raise significantly bigger than $35 unless one of the limpers in front of the whale is limping a strong range. We would really like to get it heads-up with the whale.
