PAHWM: AKo OOP
1/3 NLHE 9 handed
We're up slightly on our first buy-in. We know a few players at the table, one we know, V, is a friend we've never played with but talked poker with a lot. He plays online, that's all we know. We've been playing with him an hour or so and our vibe is that he's a semi-aware loose passive. He's limp called a bit pre, has 3-bet once or twice, he's been 3-bet several times and is down. Our vibe is that he's a bit tilted, he's saying he has to leave soon. 425$ V effective LJ.
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V limps LJ off 425, HJ unknown fish limps, CO uknown fish limps, we have ~600$ effective with the fish and see A♥ K♣ in the SB...
Maybe 25. It isn't a big disaster if you take it down. Depends on how the table is playing. I wouldn't go real small OOP though.
I would go $20 or $25 depending on whether we're getting many folds or not.
Raise. This hand isn't an adrenaline rush so far.
Because you are in the SB, raise to 30.
Raise big ~ 30ish …
We open to 20, BB calls, V calls, two fish in late position fold.
Aside: BB - italian loose passive fish, very straightforward postflop, we have a lot of hours with him. VPIP about 80% pre.
BB covers our 600$
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Flop 60 - K♥ 9♣ 7♥
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Flop: I bet 1/2 pot and fold to raises.
Pre: (Given that bb is a premium rec, I would advise to raise way bigger pre)
PRE - obviously raise. At least $25. Might make it $30 or even $35 if the table dynamic is loose and splashy, and / or if our image is LAG-ish.
FLOP - I'd pot it.
Generally, I'm not looking to get fancy or creative with TPTK when we're multi-way and OOP, and the board is somewhat wet and connected. I'm just going bet-bet-bet until someone raises.
If someone has 2P+, let's find out now. If someone is drawing, let's charge them the max. With the Ah in our hand, we have some additional BD equity potential to bail us out if we run into trouble.
ETA - part of the reason I pot it on the flop is that it's hard for opponents to raise us, even with a flopped set or 2P, when we could have KK, and they can't. If we pot it and get called, we can continue by barreling or check-calling across a lot of turns.
Generally, I'm not looking to get fancy or creative with TPTK when we're multi-way and OOP, and the board is somewhat wet and connected. I'm just going bet-bet-bet until someone raises.
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Basically this. Probably 60% each time, assuming you get one caller that would set things up for stacks on the river. If you get called twice on the flop you may need to slow down, especially if draws come in, but you do have Ah.
We cbet 20 into 60, BB folds, V calls,
Turn 100 - K♥ 9♣ 7♥ 8♦
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Bigger preflop, bigger flop. Check turn, and usually x/c. If villain bets turn, usually x/c river. If he checks turn, usually bet river.
you dont beat much that calls a big bet. just check
JT was a double-gutter on the flop. You now lose to JT, plus maybe some 2P / set combos.
We can check-evaluate, or we can bet-small-fold to a raise. Very unlikely V is going to find enough bluffs that we need to worry about being blown off the best hand.
I would prefer to keep betting until I meet aggression. Check-call seems the worst option to me, if I check it's to check-fold and I'd rather do that on the river than now. You're still going firmly after Kx in addition to some hands like T9 and heart draws. Kx will call another bet but won't bet the hand for you. That said, we now have a two street hand in all likelihood.
We check turn on this connected card, V bets 40 into 100...
Agreed that you want to go bigger preflop, $30-$35. Also betting big on the flop or I'm checking, probably $60 on the flop. Turn card is much better for villain's range than our range, so check seems good. Not folding to $40 on the turn, not raising, so lets see a river
easy call
Call and see a river.
Against 3 limpers and OOP I'm probably going fairly large preflop (like $30ish) as taking it down preflop really isn't a bad result.
ETA (flop): SPR is about 6.5 against shorter stack and about 10 against larger stack, so I definitely don't want to play for stacks. If we're comfortable with bet/folding, I would maybe bet/fold a couple of streets if runout is ok and then make a river decision as to whether value bet or bluffcatch (leaning to latter if draws busted). Against anyone more aware, especially of my nitty image, I wouldn't hate checking the flop to underrep and make sure I get to showdown. Really in an inbetween spot here with these 2 opponents and their 2 stack sizes (against the BB I'd lean to bet/folding, whereas against the other guy I'd lean to checking a street).
ETA (turn): I'm ok with the flop bet. Unfortunately the wrong guy called and the turn card ain't great. Think I'd lean to a check, although another bet/fold is probably fine too. ETA (turn action): I'm checking to call, and probably check/calling a reasonable river bet if the flush draw busts.
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We call turn.
River 180 - K♥ 9♣ 7♥ 8♦ J♥
We check, V bets 105 leaving about 250 behind
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Raise all in or fold.
id probably fold but a bluff AI wouldnt be bad at all with the Ah. his range is pretty much capped as a straight with the Kh on board.
Literally pretty much everything has now gotten there. I'm trying to think of something that hasn't, but he'd have to be floating the flop massively wide to turn something into a bluff (like an underpair or something). We have to pick and choose between spots we bluffcatch versus fold; this runout seems to fall into the latter.
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Bigger pre, especially given the read on the BB -- I'd go $30. Bigger on the flop -- as played, $45.
I bet the turn, too, but I understand the check/call. River absolutely sucks. If he's really tilted, call; if not, fold. I never raise here.
