[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread
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I could believe a small crew or one person is behind some shenanigans.
It does seem very hard to execute cleanly though. Imagine running 6 accounts. You need 6 devices and a strategy of your own, albeit a cheating one. you have to think through a complex strategy of how do this without ****ing up.
I’ve played every format on ignition over the years and people make wild plays like they always have. For instance folding to shove hu in the bb200 with 310 chips.
But like others have said, for the MTTs if the table draw could be shuffled then the worst thing someone could do (in this instance) is multi account the same tourney. Which I’m sure happens all day long to some level.
I could believe a small crew or one person is behind some shenanigans. It does seem very hard to execute cleanly though. Imagine running 6 accounts. You need 6 devices and a strategy of your own, albeit a cheating one. you have to think through a complex strategy of how do this without ****ing up. I’ve played every format on ignition over the years and people make wild plays l
i recorded 2 hours of video of the cheating, had the AI analyze it, the AI said it was in house cheating since they wont address it
It's pretty clear there is a team that does the late regging and its not just a bunch of humans maximizing their EV and hourly by late regging like you see on something like ACR. You'll go from 10-20 people late reggin from 10 seconds left until 2 seconds and then 150 people will reg in the last second, all get placed at the same table, and all do those techniques such as maximizing the banks postflop + keeping each other alive when necessary.
Anyone else having problems with HH? Can't regularly access the hands I have played or see showdowns during play.
I mean the whole farm of "house bots" idea is like...why don't they just insert one house bot that doesn't lose it's all-ins and just wins the tournaments?
There is very little risk of getting caught because their is almost zero security monitoring the games. You can hand them the proof they are colluding tied in a bow and they will just give you a patronizing response like "we appreciate your diligence" and do nothing.
I don't play tourneys so can't speak to that but the bots in the mid stakes cash games appear to collude together but they certainty cannot see your hole cards (unless they purposely lose sometimes but I doubt it). They are just hard to beat because they are exploitative bots using MDA and sharing their hole cards which gives them an additional edge.
I personally don't think the cash game bots are house bots. I think the site just simply can't stop it or they are unwilling to invest in the resources to even try.
And to the point about it not being worth it: (1) very small edges become large sums with enough volume (2) they are likely run by groups in low cost of living countries were the money goes a lot farther.
And to the point about it not being worth it: (1) very small edges become large sums with enough volume (2) they are likely run by groups in low cost of living countries were the money goes a lot farther.
Right. For cash those edges can be run around the clock which will add up quick. For tournaments, even right now at primetime evening, there are 13 MTTs running. 11 of which are $1-25 buyins. There's a $50 and a $162. So that's what I say....I don't know if THAT hustle is exactly printing money...even for Eastern Euros or whatever.
There is very little risk of getting caught because their is almost zero security monitoring the games. You can hand them the proof they are colluding tied in a bow and they will just give you a patronizing response like "we appreciate your diligence" and do nothing.I don't play tourneys so can't speak to that but the bots in the mid stakes cash games appear to collude togethe
100% agree. If anyone speaks Russian or Chinese, it’s honestly not hard to find tons of RTA tools and auto-bot. A lot of them aren’t just working on sites like Ignition; they also run on app-based games like ClubGG, WPK, PPPoker etc. And it’s not all fully automated — there are definitely people behind the monitor manually operating or overseeing parts of it
Right. For cash those edges can be run around the clock which will add up quick. For tournaments, even right now at primetime evening, there are 13 MTTs running. 11 of which are $1-25 buyins. There's a $50 and a $162. So that's what I say....I don't know if THAT hustle is exactly printing money...even for Eastern Euros or whatever.
They are 100% bot lots of different site, if they run bot cash pretty sure they can bot MTT same time. all the money added up.
It means he kept giving it prompts until it spit out the answer he wanted.
I’m not saying these are or aren’t house bots, but that’s exactly what Golfer did.
haha wow you guys are against the only guy trying to clean this up, you all deserve to lose
the house bots stink and are dead money, they nit down to 1 bb and never make the FT. theyre just super annoying,
if you get placed on the fake cheating table, youll only see like 5 hands per hour
Again, they’re definitely bots, but we don’t know if they’re house bots or not. Your AI “analysis” is useless in determining this.
Again, they’re definitely bots, but we don’t know if they’re house bots or not. Your AI “analysis” is useless in determining this.
the house has been called and notified over 50 times in 50 days about this, and they always freak out and hang up.
a real casino would kick the colluders out instantly, it wouldnt take 6 months to figure it out.
ive called them and told them which tables to watch live and they always refuse to look at it
so given all the info, plus uploading the video of the cheating to the ai, the ai determined, via logic, that the only way it hasnt been fixed in 6 months, is that its in house colluding
i didnt think it was in house cheating until the Grok said thats the only explanation
i guess Grok is wrong
ive called them and told them which tables to watch live and they always refuse to look at it
regardless of who or what it is, we all appreciate you calling and bringing it to their attention. i'm also emailing them to implore them to do MTT table shuffles for late reg. Others should do the same.
I'm only being asked to log in with the browser like half the time. Anyone else the same?
regardless of who or what it is, we all appreciate you calling and bringing it to their attention. i'm also emailing them to implore them to do MTT table shuffles for late reg. Others should do the same.
bovada acts super guilty about it when you call in
they argue and side with the cheating
hang up on you
and say since you min cashed you couldnt have been cheated.
one of the calls, the person basically admitted it was in house and they were laughing a ton about it
Even if your theory about house bots is correct, I doubt they would let the $5/hr Costa Rica and Philippines call center employees in on it.
I think just pure incompetence in terms of game security is vastly more likely. The call center employees probably know security is like 3 dudes Calvin hired 10 years ago.
Even if your theory about house bots is correct, I doubt they would let the $5/hr Costa Rica and Philippines call center employees in on it.
I think just pure incompetence in terms of game security is vastly more likely. The call center employees probably know security is like 3 dudes Calvin hired 10 years ago.
just got off the phone with them again
now theyre saying everything the stallers and colluders are doing is technically within the rules
they are complicit in the cheating and havent done anything in over 6 months to stop it, therefore, its in house
so given all the info, plus uploading the video of the cheating to the ai, the ai determined, via logic, that the only way it hasnt been fixed in 6 months, is that its in house colluding
i didnt think it was in house cheating until the Grok said thats the only explanation
i guess Grok is wrong
If you prompt correctly and coax it, AI will say pretty much anything you want it to, [U]even recommend you using steroids[/U]
And yes, most likely they're house bots, but Grok telling you they are based on a video you upload and the highly biased prompts you probably feed it means nothing and is proof of nothing, only a great example of how to use AI to reinforce a confirmation bias
What happened with the SNG tables? Before there were rematch issues where the table wont open automatically, now it seems its even worse. Registered games start randomly without opening the table at all.
If you prompt correctly and coax it, AI will say pretty much anything you want it to, [U]even recommend you using steroids[/U]And yes, most likely they're house bots, but Grok telling you they are based on a video you upload and the highly biased prompts you probably feed it means nothing and is proof of nothing, only a great example of how to use AI to reinforce a confirmation
all grok said was: since bovada hasnt fixed it in 6 months, they are complicit in it
To be complicit means to be involved in, so bovada is involved in it.
No-one has argued that the site is above criticism but trusting AI like you seem to is really irresponsible. The drug use example is the tip of the iceberg and they are being sued for way worse.
No-one has argued that the site is above criticism but trusting AI like you seem to is really irresponsible. The drug use example is the tip of the iceberg and they are being sued for way worse.
its not trusting the ai; ive seen the cheating myself for many months and since they havent fixed it, theyre complicit.
call Bovada yourself 888-263-0000
they will play dumb, look the other way, side with the cheating, then freak out and hang up on you, ive done it 50 times
