2/5 TPTK facing button shove from superfish/whale
2/5, Friday night, 9-handed.
Hero ($750) opens UTG to $25 with AKss
Villain1 ($500) calls in MP.
Villain2 (25yo black male, $500, 100/10) calls on button. He limp calls almost every hand, and raises the best hands, plays erratically postflop, and has shown a couple of river bluffs.
Villain3 (50yo Asian male, 35/10, $400) calls in SB.
Flop (4 players, $102) Ah 6h 3c
Villain3 checks, Hero bets $40, Villain1 folds. Villain 2 goes all in.
He has not made an overbet raise with this kind of sizing this session. Hero has no history with this player. His aggression factor postflop is around average.
Villain3 snap folds.
What do you do?
17 Replies
Depends on your reads.
raises the best hands, plays erratically postflop,
Not sure what this means. Does he play passively normally?? Or does he just spaz on flop ?
He only raises two pairs plus? Or raises any two? Or raises with top pair? Or flushdraws?
Usually we bet alot bigger preflop and flop vs whale.
Ie. preflop to 50, flop pot or overbet
It just like he’s targeting an ace, maybe just like yours, so he can take their stack. Being a loose player, he could have smashed this flop.
Or
Maybe he does this with AQ or AJ & you’re ahead. It would greatly help to know your image - does he think you’re tight & he can make you fold?
I can’t hero call here, but it wouldn’t surprise me to be shown trash and have a good laugh. Maybe if I was there, but I have no idea the right solution from the info presented, so I’m not throwing money out there.
You don’t want to play AK against 3 other players & could have helped yourself with a bigger pre-flop raise.
snap and it's not even close
On this flop, you're close to the tippy top of your range. You really need a solid read to fold here.
Yuck. I think we can mostly fold here.
5x UTG FR open at 2/5 seems to narrow your range quite a bit. I expect this and bigger at 1/3, etc, but not 2/5. Was this your normal opening size? Some variety of a hand with an Ace is most of it, no? Along with JJ-KK. Yet a 100/10 BU just shoved over 3x pot. Ofc, if V is ignorant of that, it doesn't matter here.
What did V show on his river bluffs? I'm wondering if this is some weak PP (but not 66/33, obv), with no other draw, that is trying to get you to fold an Ace? It's just such a dumb way to play huge value.
Along with AF, I need a better read to fold top/top for 100 bigs here.
Based on your reads, this is always just 2p+ from this player. I fold.
Snap. He's a poor player. It's 100 bigs pre and the pot is decent. You'll sometimes have outs when beat.
FWIW, this spot could go either way.
I would just be probing this guy for live tells. Seems like a good spot to start asking him "Why so damn much?"
Just call, if he doubles up that’s not a disaster. If he has QTo with no outs and we fold, that’s a disaster. If he has 93hh we’re still printing.
wait, just noticed the thread title. If he’s a superfish/whale you beat him into the pot while saying “no hearts, dealer!”.
But tbh I hate AKo EP in LAG games. Is there a case for shoving yourself on the flop? Or at least betting 100 while saying “whatta flop!” and windowing the ace?
On one hand, we probably shouldn't be folding everything but AA here...
But also V, with average aggression factor, overbet shoves into 2 players. Sounds like a fold based on that
So I guess it depends on read confidence. If you haven't seen him do this in 1 hour, call. If you haven't seen him do this in 5 hours, fold
Flip a coin. Seriously, this board is kind of draw heavy for a loose button call. That said, if he's never done this before, we could be toast. Table read...
He is shoving into the preflop UTG raiser, though, so maybe just sigh-fold.
That Villain calls "almost every hand" pre and yet raises only the best means he can have all the A3 and A6 and maybe some 63 as well as 66 and 33 of course. I wonder if ATs-AK make the "best hands that raise" preflop category and therefore can be discounted although I'm not sure if by raise you mean 3bet.
The latter point is important because some players will shove AJ here as a quasi-protection/panic play.
We do have around 20% on average against the two-pair combos, which is worth considering, plus the fact that "erratic" postflop play would likely include shoving draws. We need a smidge over 40% here versus Villain's wide range, so I'm favouring a call, but like others don't love the spot and it's certainly not a snap.
FWIW I'd much rather enrich the stack of a loose, random player than a nit, so instead of flipping a coin I might non-randomise with this preference in mind.
V2 is shoving from the button after a weird little flop bet from the utg preflop raiser, a MP fold, and seemingly ready to fold SB behind him.
He could be putting H on KK-JJ and have AK-T.
This decision seems really dependent on the itm read. Still probably call but don’t love it. Lot easier to fold if you’d bet 100.
