Are video games,birth rate, drugs, and changes irt masculinity actually a problem for the west?
I use the term changes toward masculinity. Some people believe masculinity is under attack. Others simply say that there
There has been a lot of changes in views on masculinity, and has in many cases resulted in an overturn of many traditional views. As these things ebb and flow, we have also seen the counter-culture to this, where wildly exaggerated views of traditional "manliness" has gained traction on social media.
On the face of it, changes in how masculine ideas isn't necessarily a big issue. Traditions change, times change and cultural views on masculinity has happened plenty of times in the past. In both the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s we see past views on the "ideal man" be relegated to the scrapheap and replaced with new ones, at least in popular culture. Ironically, you will find a people who view those decades as "the golden days" of a stable ideal.
However, I think it might be an issue that this time around it wasn't so much a replacement as it was a removal. A generation was left to figure out their ideals on their own. Not that a generation wouldn't to some extent always do that, but these completely aimless "everything goes"-times we live are something else. Look to this forum and its political discussions: Those of us from the older generation can't even agree on the importance of simple things like integrity, honesty or honor
Couple that with leaving the younger generation with a world that that is in many ways getting worse, and I think the notion that this discussion even matters in our hands is arrogant.
Video games aren't the problem.
In game live voice chat is though. Much like social media, you can hide behind a screen and throw insults left right and centre, knowing that nobody is in range to punch you.
However, the more you use these platforms, the more you end up doxing yourself and that person who would be willing to punch you back gets closer and closer.
[x] weird birth rate obsession
[x] "the west"
[x] AI slop
[x] Crusader bullshit imagery
tl;dr, quite sure this is an S-tier thread
Never in my life have I felt my masculinity is under attack. Never been criticized or got anything other than a thank you for holding a door. Never been called aggressive for speaking assertively.I don't think these things are happening nearly as often as this author or other anti woke influencers imply.Even if they did, you could just like, shrug it off and go on with your lif
Birthright is an issue in the Usa. Simply because it is below the replacement rate currently. So that’s a problem any which way anyone looks at it… among other things it can eventually put a strain on healthcare and Social Security.
And in a number of countries in Africa and the Middle East, the birth rate is 2- 3 times that of the USA…. Though one country where traditional values still exist, and there is somewhat of an anti-western narrative is Russia where there is also quite a low birth rate which is interesting. Because some people like to claim that where there is a lot of poverty, there is a high birth rate not always the case just look at Russia. So there are perhaps a number of reasons for a low birth rate. Also, in the very wealthy country of Saudi Arabia the birth rate is well above the replacement rate. And they have huge numbers of women in the workforce as a doctors or lawyers. Obv its quite a conservative country, but the idea that countries with higher birth rates are all in poverty or very backward is just not accurate.
To your point about some young men who are single latching on to toxic masculine influencers…. This is precisely a problem that professor Scott Galloway(again he is left leaning) points out. There’s not an easy solution to this issue. Nor is There a singular reason why it exists. You just said something interesting which is what women find attractive. Now that is part of the conversation in America. Well, what do they find attractive? And how is it different from Say 50 , 30 or even 15 years ago. Of course, not all women are the same obviously.
Further how many women need a man to make a certain amount of money to date him??? It appears what you’re saying is young men who are struggling simply need to toughen it up. Of course this goes both ways. Both men and women can have really high standards when it comes to dating perhaps too high. …And plenty of people on the left say no young men just need to cry a bunch, get very emotional embrace their feminine side…. what do we say to that?
Galloway also points out the dark side of this issue. Which are the depressed young men who go on mass shooting sprees ….now in the United States we have the mass school shooting issue which was nonexistent in the American past. It really started around the time of Columbine in the 1990s. Why does that exist now but not in the 1970s when there were still plenty of guns around? What’s the connection their of any the over prescription of antidepressants, the over usage of marijuana and the changing attitudes toward masculinity in the modern times?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...Yes in general poorer countries makes more babies .I don’t see the correlation between birth rate and masculinity .Yes some culture are patriarchal and other matriarchal.Wtf cares really ? You live a certain way of life and it’s five , sometimes values changes for w.e reasons .Money is what co
Well back when the US middle class was at its strongest, when we had the steel and auto jobs we had a much higher birth rate. And women were working you remember during World War II many women were working the factory jobs.
Obviously the culture was different in America in the middle of the 20th century. It was very patriarchal, and there were problems racial injustice for example. But the point is that a wealthy country with a strong middle class can have a high birth rate. This is evidence in the middle of the 20th century USA.
One of the ugliest things in America perhaps the ugliest is the fact that we have mass school shootings. This did not exist in the countries past and it doesn’t happen nearly as much if at all in other countries. Why is this happening? There is something going on compared to decades ago when it did not exist.
One of the ugliest things in America perhaps the ugliest is the fact that we have mass school shootings. This did not exist in the countries past and it doesn’t happen nearly as much at all in other countries. Why is this happening? There is something going on compared to decades ago when it did not exist.
Our society is crumbling.
There are a lot of problems but the United States has gone through many ordeals.. two world wars, the dust bowl, a civil war among other things. Hopefully we can weather the storm this time around too.
The question I have among others is how does the over prescription of drugs, legalization of marijuana, the rise of social media play into this?? As all of these and more play a role in changing attitudes toward masculinity….. and so how does that play into addressing the problems we have today.
Well back when the US middle class was at its strongest, when we had the steel and auto jobs we had a much higher birth rate. And women were working you remember during World War II many women were working the factory jobs. Obviously the culture was different in America in the middle of the 20th century. It was very patriarchal, and there were problems racial injustice for exa
Yes it can.
But generally it doesnt .
And at that time wealth inequality wasnt like today .
I wage was enough to support an entire family with a wife at home taking care of the kids ….
So I don’t think like in the 1980,1990 vidéo games git anything either the problem we have today shrug
Yeah, we need to begin with the ever widening wealth gap. After that we gotta figure out what to do with the cancerous social media. If I were king i think I could fix the first problem but no clue on the second.
Traditional gender roles are fading in favor of just being a good person with strong values, and men seem to be struggling with this
Traditional gender roles are fading in favor of just being a good person with strong values, and men seem to be struggling with this
If that was the case , women would just have so many children on their own right? lesbian couples especially.
Care to check how many children lesbian couples have?
Has it occurred to you that maybe women don’t want to have “so many children”?
yes, and you tried to ascribe that several times to the fact that men are low quality.
If instead you start admitting that we have elements to claim, for a fact, that they hate the idea inherently, that's a good step for you.
Well this thread went to **** pretty quickly.
Traditional gender roles are fading in favor of just being a good person with strong values, and men seem to be struggling with this
Well, to be fair, isn’t it the case that so-called gender roles differ based on time and place throughout history. There are examples of strong female leaders, even in Europe during the middle ages.
Seems there are other things to discuss in the modern era like the legalization of marijuana, the existence of mass school shootings today when that was not an issue at all in the past. Among other things to discuss. That’s just a few. Can throw in the ever changing landscape of online dating, the easy access to porn.
Well, if we believe the data and the reporting certainly many men are struggling. But so are women according to the data on the high rates of depression in the United States. Either people believe that the reporting is false or exaggerated or they accept it and they are trying to put forward solutions. Or they don’t care about it. We can see in this conversation that there are people who simply don’t care about the issue. Otoh There are those who want to try to figure out solutions.
What about those who say that the reason there are so many young men who are single …far more than women is because a lot of women are sharing the same so-called high-quality man. Or more women are just dating other women.
When you suck all of the money/wealth out of the middle class in favor of the very top--do good things ever tend to happen?
When you suck all of the money/wealth out of the middle class in favor of the very top--do good things ever tend to happen?
But there’s a much much higher birth rate in areas of the world where there is considerably more poverty.
No doubt about it. The middle class is struggling in America. But that doesn’t mean we need to have record numbers of single young men….something(s) else is at play.
But there’s a much much higher birth rate in areas of the world where there is considerably more poverty.
No doubt about it. The middle class is struggling in America. But that doesn’t mean we need to have record numbers of single young men….something(s) else is at play.
Yes comparing the world before 9/11 with today , the world went to $h!t ….
People were saying after 9/11 it was a changing day for the whole world .
I was in my 20s and thought some « experts » and medias were exaggerating because many other western countries were hit previously by terrorist attacks and ur didn’t nice the needle much .
Moreover I figured and naively believe at that time , but this is the USA , they are strong and free , they wont capitulate to one attack ….
Man was I amazingly wrong ….
But there’s a much much higher birth rate in areas of the world where there is considerably more poverty.
No doubt about it. The middle class is struggling in America. But that doesn’t mean we need to have record numbers of single young men….something(s) else is at play.
Mostly from immigration but polygamy is a factor:
Data from 2016 indicated over 5.26 million unmarried Saudis, comprising 3 million men and 2.26 million women.
Immigration isn't a factor in the US. We're not Europe; we actually import more females than males. I doubt the quasi polygamy angle counts for much over here. Mostly what you see are age and lifestyle dynamics that result in a larger percentage of single males <30 and a larger percentage of single females >60.
