Are video games,birth rate, drugs, and changes irt masculinity actually a problem for the west?
I use the term changes toward masculinity. Some people believe masculinity is under attack. Others simply say that there
college is FREE IN FINLAND. Free as in tuition is ZERO EUR.
house prices are STABLE not increasing
THEY DONT HAVE KIDS ANYWAY
this proves beyond reasonable doubt IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU CLAIM IT IS
yes and why that is ?
finland highest taxed country in the world at 57%
im not surpised house inflation is low.
yes they have free stuff but again they have much less money too with txes this high....
so again lack of income in advance society plays a role.
the only reasons poor countries gets so many kids is probably lack of education or material about contraception (without counting the influence of religion) and having much higher death rate of infants.
u better have 2,3 kids to hope having 1 passing 18 years old.
Yes, this is effectively what Professor Galloway pointed out. In addition to the easy access to porn, the legalization of marijuana, the negative aspects of social media….some young men being OK with having an AI girlfriend. These problems were not around in the 1970s.But also worth mentioning are the younger women dating older men which in part explains why there are a
nah
babyboomers smoke a tons during peace and love era and they got many kids anyway.
its a plant that exist and been smoke for a very long time anyway.
maybe cigarettes made it worst ....
yes and why that is ?
finland highest taxed country in the world at 57%im not surpised house inflation is low.yes they have free stuff but again they have much less money too with txes this high....so again lack of income in advance society plays a role.the only reasons poor countries gets so many kids isFinland had the same or higher taxes before, when they had many more children, SO IT CAN'T BE THAT EITHER (and believe me , if i could blame taxation for low fertility rates i would, as i hate high taxation)
Looking back even further, finland is the grey line: see how taxes are the same or lower today than in 1993?
there is many reasons.
more advanced civilization usually aim at less kids because the needs of many kids (survivability rates , education cost, housing cost, lower middle class wages,etc) plays a role in that more then video games or masculinity changing for w.e reasons.
there is many reasons.
more advanced civilization usually aim at less kids because the needs of many kids (survivability rates , education cost, housing cost, lower middle class wages,etc) plays a role in that more then video games or masculinity changing for w.e reasons.
oh jesus housing prices aren't higher than 10 years ago, wages aren't lower, why are finnish people having a lot fewer children than 10 years ago or 20 years ago? it cannot be what you list because taxes were high anyway and so on.
How can something that *didn't get worse* "play a role" ffs, can you people even think at the margin?
so what do you think the reasons are lucy?
Low IQ people have the most kids. More advanced society also seem to always have less.
People don't want the burden of having kids anymore. Before it was normal for a family to have 6-10 kids now people think you are out of your mind for doing that.
Low IQ people have the most kids. More advanced society also seem to always have less.
People don't want the burden of having kids anymore. Before it was normal for a family to have 6-10 kids now people think you are out of your mind for doing that.
Did finnish IQ change considerably from 2005 ? we aren't talking the reason fertility rates went from 4-5 to 2.
We are talking the reasons fertility rates went from 2 to 1.1-1.2
I don't know maybe people don't want to have kids where one of the primary possibilities of being able to raise them is ending up on welfare? It doesn't really inspire confidence imo 😀
having kids has always been mote expensive than nothing having kids since forever. I don't understand this
People used to have 10 kids and they all worked on the farm once they were able to. Free labor from 8-10+ years old.
Not saying it was a profitable endeavor necessarily but the cost was pennies compared to what people spend on their kids now.
Low IQ people have the most kids. More advanced society also seem to always have less. People don't want the burden of having kids anymore. Before it was normal for a family to have 6-10 kids now people think you are out of your mind for doing that.
Did finnish IQ change considerably from 2005 ? we aren't talking the reason fertility rates went from 4-5 to 2.We are talking the r
That is strange probably mostly a cultural shift?
Online dating/Tinder has caused there to be a lot less couples and presumably kids as well due to that.
Even 20 years ago the normal thing was to get married and have kids now it's looked at as completely optional.
If you were a 28 year old women not married no kids you'd be looked at as a failure then by many, and women in particular respond to societal pressure. Now no one cares for the most part. (Besides some more religious groups)
That is strange probably mostly a cultural shift Online dating/Tinder has caused there to be a lot less couples and presumably kids as well due to that. Even 20 years ago the normal thing was to get married and have kids now it's looked at as completely optional. If you were a 28 year old women not married no kids you'd be looked at as a failure then by many, and women in parti
Bangladesh is under 2 children per woman TODAY btw.
Mexico is at 1.9
Malaysia is at 1.55.
Turkey is at 1.5.
Anything you want to blame has to be happening to a great deal everywhere outside of subsaharian africa, Israel, the Philippines and Armenia basically.
actually depending on the datasets and exact computations, things can be ever worse than what you get if you google [country name] total fertility rate
The culture shift IS happening almost everywhere though
I think it's that and the easy access to various birth controls methods.
Israel being an outlier is probably due to religious beliefs and maybe Philippines too as it's heavily Christian.
can't be birth control. Japan legalized the pill only in the mid 90s when fertility rates were already 1.5.
religiosity might work at the margins but chile, a very religious country where abortion was completely illegal till 2017 and is now only accepted for rape, woman life risk and severe fetus malformations, is at 1.2 children per woman.
btw saying "culture is changing every where" is not an actual answer if you think about it; when you think about it it's just moving the question to "what is happening so that culture changing everywhere, in dramatically different places, all at the same time".
because it's not like there is such a big overlapping in culture between Thailand and Ireland is it?
the south of India has lower fertility rates than Colorado, not sure if people are grasping the size and the rapidity of these events
The culture shift IS happening almost everywhere though I think it's that and the easy access to various birth controls methods. Israel being an outlier is probably due to religious beliefs and maybe Philippines too as it's heavily Christian.
can't be birth control. Japan legalized the pill only in the mid 90s when fertility rates were already 1.5.religiosity might work at the m
Feminism, women empowered, don't be subject to men, don't have kids cultural change is everywhere.
I'm in Thailand now all the women have social media, tik tok etc they are all seeing the same stuff as usa women.
Never been to sub saharan Africa so can't speak directly but I imagine it's one of the only places that hasn't been as heavily subjected to the cultural shift.
There's definitely ways Thailand is different to Ireland culturally but the women are actually influenced by a lot of similar trends.
Ok but to understand your point you mostly agree but are asking why the culture is changing?
I'd disagree on birth control not be a factor.
Some people don't like condoms (or get reckless in the moment). Some people don't want to have an abortion even if it's an unwanted pregnancy.
Assuming we can agree on both of those things how is access to birth control that doesn't require a condom not going to reduce births? Maybe it's not the biggest factor but I think it's significant.
I'd disagree on birth control not be a factor.Some people don't like condoms (or get reckless in the moment). Some people don't want to have an abortion even if it's an unwanted pregnancy.Assuming we can agree on both of those things how is access to birth control that doesn't require a condom not going to reduce births Maybe it's not the biggest factor but I think it's signifi
it's not reducing it to the current rates, it can't be.
because it was available the same when rates were higher.
Brazil had extremely cheap birth controls for decades for example. they also made insane use of tubal sterilization (more than everywhere in the world iirc) decades ago. no questions asked, no physician prescription needed both for contraceptive pill and day after pill since decades ago.
they were at 4 children per woman in 1980, 3 in 1990, 2 in 2000 and are currently at 1.6
Bangladesh is under 2 children per woman TODAY btw.
Mexico is at 1.9
Malaysia is at 1.55.
Turkey is at 1.5.
Anything you want to blame has to be happening to a great deal everywhere outside of subsaharian africa, Israel, the Philippines and Armenia basically.
Interesting the birth rate in Israel is 2.9, it’s 2.3 in Saudi Arabia. And 1.6 in the USA.
Anything below 2.1 is considered below the replacement rate.
Interesting the birth rate in Israel is 2.9, it’s 2.3 in Saudi Arabia. And 1.6 in the USA.
Anything below 2.1 is considered below the replacement rate.
saudi arabia is incredibly weird because it's one of the places where immigrants are having *dramatically lower fertility rates* than natives, while usually almost everywhere else it's the opposite (or they don't differ too much).
In KSA it's exceptional
Bangladesh is under 2 children per woman TODAY btw.
Mexico is at 1.9
Malaysia is at 1.55.
Turkey is at 1.5.
Anything you want to blame has to be happening to a great deal everywhere outside of subsaharian africa, Israel, the Philippines and Armenia basically.
I’ll tell u a secret about statistics science and life .
Because I seem to have a pretty big problem with it .
You will always find some tiny small stats that contradict a general universal trend …..
Advanced civilization tend to have less kids than others .
The reasons ?
Many .
Less religion , better contraceptive method , better educated , less need to have lot of kids , medical efficiency (less infants death) etc.
No idea why u thinks this is all controversial …
saudi arabia is incredibly weird because it's one of the places where immigrants are having *dramatically lower fertility rates* than natives, while usually almost everywhere else it's the opposite (or they don't differ too much).
In KSA it's exceptional
No not surprising .
Religion , mom stuck at homes , etc …
Add the "at 12, they like the father a lot more because he is funnier". And, if the father is good looking / sexually interesting , the "at some point for the working mom it's impossible to keep pace with external appearance so the father goes with the 10y younger slut".
Yes that's true.
*BUT*
80%+ of what the woman thinks is "mandatory" to raise children, actually isn't. The threshold of what women today think is necessary to do for kids is absolutely utterly insane. Middle class women want for their children more than what top 1% households did in the 60s.
The frenzy of activities, supervision and so on , all coming from women as a request/mandate (the dad would be ok with them just messing around) is absolutely insane.
The standard of cleanliness you insist as being "the minimum of decency" is 4 star hotels+.
Or mayne i am just describing italian women dunno.
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I have 2 kids (13 and 10), most of my friends have 1 (much younger), i had them far earlier because i understood how important that is if you can afford them earlier (more energy and so on), i am not talking only about my personal experience.
