KQo vs. solver guy

I would 3b or fold pre, usually 3b. As played call flop and use our position to lose the minimum or extract the maximum.

My problem is that if he’s not going to reveal anything about his hand, you have to do something. 3Bet - if he calls, he’s capped with no AA or KK - if he 4bets fold.

I don’t know if he still leads after your 3bet, but you hit the flop hard - bet pot - as played, raise a pot sized bet. Find out something

With early aggression, you are less likely to make big mistakes on the turn & river when the big money goes in. Poke the bear and see if he wants to fight. Watch how he reacts.

Is V Doug Polk?

In all seriousness, if this guy is actually playing close enough to equilibrium, he should be indifferent no matter what we do, which I think means we should be somewhat indifferent, inasmuch as we don't know if he's showing up with 77, JTs, AK, or anything else a solver might like to raise from the LJ. We're just guessing.

I might 3B KQo on the BTN facing a LJ raise. Might just call. It somewhat depends on how much of his range I think he'll fold, and what I think he's doing post-flop. If I think he's going to be disciplined about folding some of his range pre, I'd rather 3B. If I think he's going to c-bet more often than not, I'd rather play 3B or fold pre.

As played, our hand seems too good to fold, and yet, the board would seem to favor his range as the PFR, such that I wouldn't be shocked if he barrels without having any piece of the board. However, even the most studied opponent is still human, and humans may start to doubt their strat if we call the flop, and will check to us on the turn.

So, I think my play here would be to call flop, and probably call turn, and only fold to a triple barrel.

Also, my gut tells me that we're going to have way more JT in our range than he will, and if he's opening wide enough, he's going to have a lot of hands that will fold if we raise, so I could see raising now, with a plan to fold if he 3B's.

Assuming this guy is taking this line as the PFR a lot, I think it makes sense to play a 3B or fold strat against him pre, and probably tighten up on that 3B range a bit, so that we're not 3B'ing him too frequently. A hand like KQo may be a little cuspy, such that it's a mix. It also seems like we'll need to have more flop raises if he's just coming out and range-betting every flop.

What range are we giving this V? Assuming 9 handed, I gave a LJ V a 13% range. Against that, KQo is a slight dog PF. I see the merits of 3! though, or shrug call on BU. Not folding.

When AKQr hits, H's slight dog is now a 61/39 favorite to that 13% range. Stacks aren't given, and if this is the monumentally deep AmLeg home-ish game Marchron's mentioned in the past, I don't want to get too stupid here w bottom 2. Still want to r/f 60 or so though. Or call, for the reasons OmahaDonk pointed out.

Villain is playing 1/2 at an American Legion , opening 6X from the LJ.

We suspect they’re a solver studied/GTO player because they’ve talked about solvers, and we’ve seen them get “out of line” with “A5s and hands that solvers love.”

We call with KQo on the B, and then flat call bottom two on the flop, with the analysis that maybe solver says range between here but maybe we’ve just been behind the whole way and were crushed.

This feels like trying to put together pieces from 3-5 unrelated puzzles lol

I 3bet or fold pre vs this guy. As played, the call is fine, but you probably need to call him down. The problem is, he knows you don't have a set or top two (even top/bottom), so I'm not thrilled with a raise. I'd rather let him hang himself. (You could have JT or AJ/AT, though.) Use your experience playing this guy...

It is that game, but V usually buys in for $300 and he's about there. I cover.

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I mean, I don't see the problem. If his raise reveals noting and this is standard then we have to play it as standard. You just flopped bottom two. Yes, a number of hands crush you, but a number also don't. I'm definitely calling here.

I think you should use the term ‘studied player’ because we are all solver guys. No, I don’t play with solvers, but I certainly know a lot about solver outputs, population data, aggregate reports, etc.

I spend my away from the table time with trainers, actually practicing decision making. Using solvers does not a player make, it’s understanding why solvers do what they do.

Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems your fear of ‘solver guy’ has you seeing monsters under the bed. I would guess a guy playing poker at the legion is probably not a solver genius.

Most of all, learn aggression. At several points in this hand, you should be raising, putting villain to a decision to see how he acts. I’m not exactly sure what you mean by ‘snug’ but villain may think he can push you around.

3bet pre or fold. Call now.

You’re good to call flop, but be ready to fold if he bombs turn/river.

Fair. My two-word description is obviously a little reductive, but I'm trying to get across that his decision-making generally defaults to what a solver says, almost certainly preflop and on a flop c-bet before the decision tree shoots off into a thousand different branches.

Really was hoping to get some of the posters who have solvers to potentially set up what a solver would do here in equilibrium. Paging submersible . . .

Even if you never study anything about poker, you benefit from solvers is what I’m saying. The best players are studied and model strong play which you can learn thru playing with them.

Unfortunately, I think this falls under a solver would never take your line, so it cannot give you a solution. You didn’t take a GTO line, so the solver gives no advice is the worst part of studying today. I don’t know why the computer can’t adapt to the circumstances.

i mean dont call 6x at high rake if you think guy is good, post stacks next time as they matter, raise / folding flop is bad advice from theoretical pov, can bet turn small ip, am sure random guy at 1/2 is not a solver guy lol. indifferent otr vs block (mixing call and fold) but i r sure your personal range is not strong enough to do that otr

Solver doesn't open 6x....

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Saying we know V uses solvers doesn't mean he's taking the perfect GTO line in every situation. It's not like a solver is opening 6x with anything, much less J9s. Once we're beyond "a solver says X" and recognize we're playing against humans, we can hopefully start to blend theory, logic, and psychology.

I said I thought we could raise flop because we're likely to have JT way more often than V has. I think that's true if he actually is a studied / trying player. I'm not sure I believe he would have folded to a flop raise holding a J in his hand. But maybe he would have, if he thinks we're so snug that we're going to have AK/AQ on the flop at some frequency, or that we'd never raise without the nuts.

I think the hand is easier to play if we have a 3B or fold approach to pre. Assuming he even sees the flop, he's not seeing the turn if we c-bet.

I dunno. Seems like we gave this guy a little too much respect.

Good call. No reason to raise, you’re way ahead of his bluffs but crushed by his monsters.