JTdd On The Button

Raise flop? Most ppl who cbet this live are either super strong hands or Ax w/1 diamond and some random stabs. He has all the sets/flushes/nfd.

Turn just call. Raising seems to be overrepping your hand now that it pairs???

If he shoves river I think we can puke fold.

I like your line, you let V be aggro, but now it’s time to raise the turn $150. If the river is not a diamond, follow with another $150.

You can’t talk yourself out of attacking with this hand - V has many smaller flushes or just the ace of diamonds keeps him on the hook. He’s unlikely to have a 2 or a set.

As you say, you can still improve - only a queen or ace high flush beats you, so I might call another diamond on the river. I can’t play this hand half-heartedly - I’m going for full value. Villain is going to have to show me a better hand.

Flop call is fine, you don’t need to blow him off worse hands yet. Turn I prob just rip since he’s got plenty of AdX, pairs with a diamond, even smaller flushes that pay you. Only way you hate life is if he’s slowplayed AdQd/AdKd, but that’s rare.

I'd mostly 3bet preflop.

As played, flop can be either call or raise, leaning towards raise.

As played flop, you can't but call turn, imo: V has all the boats in his range, while you don't have any...

Never going to hate seeing a relatively cheap flop on the Button... but I will admit I might lean to a nitty fold (might be overly nitty).

SPR is 8 and we've got 3rd nuts and there could be a lotta worse hands (AA with flush draw, Kx with big flush draw, sets, spazzy loose worse flushes, etc.) willing to shove in lottsa money. So I would raise the flop to like $75 and start building ASAP.

Gross turn, especially since calling leaves us with just a ~PSB left. Still, I think I would just flat and then evaluate what happens on the river. Might hero fold to a shove (ug?), might shove over a weak looking block bet (ug?), not sure.

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Result: Hero jams and V folds.

Pre: I like call if blinds are passive. JTs flops well
Flop: I'm raising nearly always here. We have a strong made hand that is vulnerable.
Turn: I think its a toss between call and raise. I think I raise, because it's hard to thiink of many rivers that are good for us.

Grunch:

PRE - I might 3B to iso the dead money and hope to get this HU and IP. Don't hate an over-call on the BTN though.

FLOP - Hmmm...with so many diamonds accounted for, it's hard for him to have a flush, but if he does, it's probably the nut flush. He c-bet half pot into two opponents, so....yeah, I don't see much reason to raise with the 3rd nuts.

TURN - Seems like a straight-forward call again.

It is interesting that he's betting so large. One would think that if he had AXdd he might size down. I dunno. This seems like an under-bluffed spot / line, and yet, something about the situation feels bluffy.

I think the real truth serum will be a river barrel. If he rips it, I probably fold.

I'm confused why anyone would want to jam here. V is uncapped. He could have KK/99 or just a better flush.

If he's both tight and aggro, his line looks pretty strong, and he wouldn't have a ton of hands that would make natural bluffs, mostly just naked AdXx combos that may continue bluffing.

Was the jam for value, or was it a bluff? If it was for value, what worse hands would we be hoping would call? If it was a bluff, what better hands were we hoping would fold?

Please tell me we weren't trying to make the nut flush fold. What are we repping other than maybe 99, or maybe the single combo of 22?

Raising turn overreps your hand on a paired board. Flat keeps his weaker flushes, AdX, and bluffs in. If he jams river, you can still make a tough but reasonable fold.

I jammed targeting what I thought were his most likely hands, AA AK KQ with a diamond. Those hands all picked up outs on the turn and might sigh call.

I dunno. If he has 11 outs to make a higher flush or boat he's still around a 4:1 dog, and only getting around 2:1 on a call. If he's bluffing he might keep bluffing, but it's just an insta-fold when we jam.

I doubt anyone here's recouping 5bbs cold calling this pre 3-way in a high rake game.

It's a fold in theory (because of how tight the config is), but could be a 3b because a lot of people aren't appropriately tight and the CO's prolly just donating with their CC. It's ambitious though, and I personally wouldn't do it first couple orbits at the table.

Flop is good.

I'd just jam turn. You can get frisky with the nut flush, but not with the 3rd nut flush when we unblock the nut draw. Clearly they love their hand opening it UTG, betting it 3-way and close to potting it OTT, time to force them to play stacks for it while we still rep a draw.

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Saying he *might* keep bluffing is not enough incentive to allow all his draws to realize their equity. Also 11 outs is a 3:1 dog, not 4:1. There is something to be gained if he folds a live draw here, and the less he bluffs the river, the more true this is.

The main argument for just calling turn is that he’s pretty likely to bluff catch blank rivers if he checks, and once in a while we’ll get a bet call.

I'm kind of shocked that some people want to fold on a blank river.

I just shove the turn by the way. I don't think he's folding AdAx, AdKx, KxQd. If he folds AdQx or AdJx, I can live with that. A presumably tight player does not have a ton of nut flushes here from UTG and I don't think we're deep enough to ever seriously think about folding blank rivers (133bb effective, 5x open… I'm certainly not trying to find an excuse to get away from this). If he has it, he has it, nice hand.