The murder of Charlie Kirk
Can we all admit that the majority of extremism is coming from the left over the last handful of years?
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The room is on fire, wan, and you have 5 seconds to make a decision.
On one side of the room is a healthy one week old baby
On the other side of the room is a plate with five healthy embryos
You cannot reach both in time
Which one are you grabbing, wan, and why?
What about one baby vs 5 really old people?
I didn’t know aborting really old people was up for discussion :p
But you didn’t illustrate anything.
The first trans athlete to compete in college sports was ~2014 well before the culture wars went insane
Your post is actually completely opposite from the truth
Like, the ****ing Olympics consulted scientists to define their rules and you are leaning purely on your ideological bias
Hardly long before. 2014 is the year that John McWhorter cites as the rise of "woke"-- when him and his professor buddies (and for sure their boots closer to the ground than most of us) starting noticing it in their students
haha I hope not, I’m just trying to illustrate that the answer to that question might not give you a definitive answer on the abortion issue.
…. I’m not sure I understand.
The point of my illustration is that everyone knows intuitively that embryos are not babies, and zero people choose to save a plate of embryos over an actual baby, despite claiming they are the same and the plate contains “more lives”
The room is on fire, wan, and you have 5 seconds to make a decision.
On one side of the room is a healthy one week old baby
On the other side of the room is a plate with five healthy embryos
You cannot reach both in time
Which one are you grabbing, wan, and why?
Embryos will not survive on a plate. Im going with the alive baby
When they were recruiting you as a child prodigy did they explain to you that coming up with an impossible hypothetical is much more valuable and persuasive than something realistic?
Embryos will not survive on a plate lmao
Way to avoid the dilemma, wan
…. I’m not sure I understand.
The point of my illustration is that everyone knows intuitively that embryos are not babies, and zero people choose to save a plate of embryos over an actual baby, despite claiming they are the same and the plate contains “more lives”
So you're trying to say anything you can cryo freeze for 30 years, and then unfreeze to make a baby, isn't the same as an actual baby? 😉
I thought people froze babies all the time. I'm so confused.
I mean, the truth is wan knows he would sound like a psychopath is he followed his claimed beliefs to their logical conclusions. If murdering embryos is the same as murdering babies, then in a scenario where you can save either 5 embryos or one live baby, you should always choose the embryos. But you would never do this, because you know you don’t actually believe embryos are the same as babies. Nobody does, and it’s testable. It would be just be unethical to run the tests lol
Embryos will not survive on a plate. Im going with the alive baby
When they were recruiting you as a child prodigy did they explain to you that coming up with an impossible hypothetical is much more valuable and persuasive than something realistic?
Come on, man. You aren’t even trying to be earnest. It’s a legitimate hypothetical quandary and you know you can’t reason around it.
You mean the two "males" who were assigned female at birth and had lived their entire lives as women? There is a 100% chance that similar people have competed in past Olympics without it even making the middle pages of a newspaper.
They were males
All intersex are either male or female. Don't need to explain basic biology again so Google it if you don't understand
It's also not a coincidence that the only two intersex males were also dominant
I mean, the truth is wan knows he would sound like a psychopath is he followed his claimed beliefs to their logical conclusions. If murdering embryos is the same as murdering babies, then in a scenario where you can save either 5 embryos or one live baby, you should always choose the embryos. But you would never do this, because you know you don’t actually believe embryos are t
Maybe wan should explain how he freezes and then unfreezes babies and they are still alive.
That might be helpful.
I mean, the truth is wan knows he would sound like a psychopath is he followed his claimed beliefs to their logical conclusions. If murdering embryos is the same as murdering babies, then in a scenario where you can save either 5 embryos or one live baby, you should always choose the embryos. But you would never do this, because you know you don’t actually believe embryos are t
I'll repeat. Come up with a hypothetical that is actually possible. 5 embryos on a plate is absolutely ridiculous and is a totally useless hypothetical
Use that giant brain of yours
I mean, the truth is wan knows he would sound like a psychopath is he followed his claimed beliefs to their logical conclusions. If murdering embryos is the same as murdering babies, then in a scenario where you can save either 5 embryos or one live baby, you should always choose the embryos. But you would never do this, because you know you don’t actually believe embryos are t
There is probably a reason why it has never been the custom, in any society that we know of, to hold a funeral after a miscarriage (which is a sadly common event). Some intending parents arrange unofficial ceremonies after a late-term miscarriage, but law and common understanding do not recognise that an actual person has died.
Since nature itself performs spontaneous abortion on such a common basis, it seems odd to criminalise it before a certain term.
I can’t tell if you’re serious.
Substitute then like 5 embryos in whatever perfect carrying container they need to be in to be viable…
Do the hypothetical, wan
I'll repeat. Come up with a hypothetical that is actually possible. 5 embryos on a plate is absolutely ridiculous and is a totally useless hypothetical
Use that giant brain of yours
Jfc, why even be this obtuse?
Assuming the technology exists to salvage embryos from a plate, same question.
I'll repeat. Come up with a hypothetical that is actually possible. 5 embryos on a plate is absolutely ridiculous and is a totally useless hypothetical
Use that giant brain of yours
It's actually a perfectly reasonable priority dilemma problem. You not answering it, answers it.
You have to answer ethically, whether they are the same or there's a difference between human potential, and an actual human. You can't say they are the same, because otherwise there wouldn't be two different things. So what's the difference?
If you can't answer... that is acknowledging you do recognize the difference, you just can't admit it.
…. I’m not sure I understand.
The point of my illustration is that everyone knows intuitively that embryos are not babies, and zero people choose to save a plate of embryos over an actual baby, despite claiming they are the same and the plate contains “more lives”
Sure, but choosing between a baby and a human life at some other stage of development doesn’t prove that.
You have to take more into consideration than just who you choose to save in a hypothetical situation that forced you to choose.
(I agree the answer is obvious in your original situation, but that’s because embryos have nothing that we should morally value)
Sure, but choosing between a baby and a human life at some other stage of development doesn’t prove that.
You have to take more into consideration than just who you choose to save in a hypothetical situation that forced you to choose.
(I agree the answer is obvious in your original situation, but that’s because embryos have nothing that we should morally value)
So you’re asking an entirely different question. Lol.
Sure, but choosing between a baby and a human life at some other stage of development doesn’t prove that.
You have to take more into consideration than just who you choose to save in a hypothetical situation that forced you to choose.
(I agree the answer is obvious in your original situation, but that’s because embryos have nothing that we should morally value)
The issue is if there's a difference between human potential, or an actual human. You're arguing for a human vs human situation based on value of age.
It's totally different. Not sure if you're just arguing to argue though.
I just don’t know who you think you are fooling.Conservative politicians all over the US are deliberately framing their opposition to trans athletes as a matter of “protecting women’s rights”. These are the SAME people who routinely oppose actual women’s rights in other critical areas.You cannot say you gaf about women’s rights and then push for abortion bans, defund reproducti
Aghh as a conservative I believe in Pro Choice but at 12 -16 weeks unless the life of the baby or mother than further on. I believe in free birth control , my country has maternal leave which I support for either the mother or father I mean birth person as we know Mother is a bad word for the left .
I also believe in treating anyone trans with kindness and once they reach 18 they can cut off or take whatever drugs they want . But I am sorry when some parent says I have two kids 3-5 and they are both trans that parent is suffering from a mental disease
Originally Posted by Crossnerd
The room is on fire, wan, and you have 5 seconds to make a decision.
On one side of the room is a healthy one week old baby
On the other side of the room is a plate with five healthy embryos
You cannot reach both in time
Which one are you grabbing, wan, and why?
Horrible example as that would be the same as comparing the baby to a cadaver . Better question is a freezer of a 100 embryos
I mean, the truth is wan knows he would sound like a psychopath is he followed his claimed beliefs to their logical conclusions. If murdering embryos is the same as murdering babies, then in a scenario where you can save either 5 embryos or one live baby, you should always choose the embryos. But you would never do this, because you know you don’t actually believe embryos are t
I'm sorry but you are completely lost
The hypothetical was so poorly thought out to the point it's useless
On top of that the point you were trying to make isn't great either
Ok heres one. you're in that fire. Instead of embryos on a plate it's a 62 year old man with a handlebar mustache. There's still a baby on the other side of the room. You grab a fire extinguisher and put out the fire. The fire killed your pet ferret and you're so angry you decide you need to kill someone but be able live live with yourself once the rage and grief of your dearly departed ferret has passed.
Who do you kill?
I'd kill the 62 year old no doubt
Either way it's still murder. I know, this is stupid. I agree. Really focus, you can do much better than 5 embryos on a plate to explain your values on abortion
