Moderation Questions
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic fa
damn did I miss a banger?
its too bad luci is gone on the same day that the USA had to bail out his hero Millei for predictably running their economy into the ground.
Free Lucium.
There are plenty of spaces on the internet where “opinions” like Luciom’s are not only allowed, but celebrated. But at least you are aware that those spaces produce that type of poster and those types of opinions. You know what you’re getting when someone is a 4chan guy. Or a Twitter “free speech” activist. You know what you’re getting.
Again, the problem is that you want to say the science says A, and then when someone replies the science says B and shows data to support their argument, you say “well they isn’t a morally acceptable position, you are censored”.
That isn’t how science works.
And generally it is why the left has completely lost its Legitimacy as a truth telling institution.
It would actually be better in some ways if the left was honest and just flat out said, we don’t care what the science says; we don’t accept positions that conflict with our morality.
But leftist institutions straddling the fence of claiming to be a truth telling apparatus, while saying clearly untrue things for moralistic reasons, isn’t working. It is just undermining whatever institutional legitimacy there is left.
Racial pseudoscience will not be tolerated on this forum.
I will again be very clear.
There is no credible scientific basis for the claim that complex traits like intelligence, morality, or criminality are genetically determined by race.
There is no space here for racist biological essentialism or debate surrounding it. None. It has been thoroughly debunked by modern science. If you want to argue otherwise, you will need to go elsewhere.
Dumyain,
If I say "the scientific consensus is this", reference the scientific consensus, then someone points to largely debunked fringe nonsense, and I then say "lol that is debunked trash that has no place in this discussion" that is quite literally how science works
You guys seemingly don't understand how any of this works yet you insist that your weirdo views should be respected. Nobody respects trash science in the scientific community and its not respected here
You guys don’t want to have a debate about population genetics and intelligence, criminality, or “morality” (whatever that means), then don’t. It’s a bit weird to claim that there’s a scientific consensus on it when there just is not.
I’m perfectly fine with there being no debate on it, but just stop pretending like shutting down the conversation is protecting us from Nazism or something. You’re perfectly happy to have Victor say 99.9999% of Jewish orgs support a holocaust of Palestinians or to say that Israel is a pedo nation.
I explained the scientific consensus on genetic IQ to you literally yesterday and you got butt hurt that I explained it because you claimed you already understood the consensus and now you are saying there isn’t a consensus
I literally explained the scientific consensus on genetic IQ to you yesterday and you got butt hurt that I explained it because you claimed you already understood the consensus and now you are saying there isn’t a consensus
Excuse me this was after everyone got warned again for debating “race science”. So you want to be able to poison the well as everyone even providing evidence for this is a racist, Nazi, etc, and they will be banned, but you also want me to respond to your post?
Yeah I don’t fall for bait.
You guys don’t want to have a debate about population genetics and intelligence, criminality, or “morality” (whatever that means), then don’t. It’s a bit weird to claim that there’s a scientific consensus on it when there just is not.I’m perfectly fine with there being no debate on it, but just stop pretending like shutting down the con
There is actually a consensus about complex traits being multifactorial and unrelated to race; it is evidence based and accepted across all doctrines of genetics, anthropology, and biology.
This is why the term “pseudoscience” exists.
And honestly, CRD, the hard on you have for getting Victor banned is not related to this issue. Give it a rest.
Excuse me this was after everyone got warned again for debating “race science”. So you want to be able to poison the well as everyone even providing evidence for this is a racist, Nazi, etc, and they will be banned, but you also want me to respond to your post?
Yeah I don’t fall for bait.
Feel free to source a challenge to my claim of what is the scientific consensus on this topic
Again, the problem is that you want to say the science says A, and then when someone replies the science says B and shows data to support their argument, you say “well they isn’t a morally acceptable position, you are censored”. That isn’t how science works. And generally it is why the left has completely lost its Legitimacy as a truth telling institution. It would actually
Bro, just say whatever racist **** you want to say, you can come back with yet another account if you get banned again.
There is also an aspect of Luciom is just a bad faith poster and there is a lot more leeway for good faith posters to post controversial takes and not immediately receive an insta ban for it
Still don't think we are equipped as a community to have full blow race science discussions though
Dumyain,If I say "the scientific consensus is this", reference the scientific consensus, then someone points to largely debunked fringe nonsense, and I then say "lol that is debunked trash that has no place in this discussion" that is quite literally how science worksYou guys seemingly don't understand how any of this works yet you insist that your weirdo views should be respec
Appeal to consensus (that isn’t even a real concensus, just the consensus of voices that are allowed to speak) is not how science works either.
But again, at some point you just have to accept that scientific debate on certain political topics is against the religious beliefs of our ruling class, and hence verboten, so there is nothing to do about it.
Saying that most Jews are pedophile rapists is completely fine. But discussion of racial Iq differences (unless it is to disparage whites and/or Jews) is verboten. It just is what it is.
You might as well try to argue with the Houthi’s that women should be allowed to leave their house without permission.
Feel free to source a challenge to my claim of what is the scientific consensus on this topic
From the journal Intelligence, 2019.
https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/u...
My position of course is that there is no scientific consensus and so I remain agnostic on the issue. I definitely also understand not wanting to have the debate on a poker forum.
There is actually a consensus about complex traits being multifactorial and unrelated to race; it is evidence based and accepted across all doctrines of genetics, anthropology, and biology.
This is why the term “pseudoscience” exists.
I doubt there is a consensus on population genetics as it is still very much in its infancy. We’re still getting over the “junk DNA” hypothesis.
And honestly, CRD, the hard on you have for getting Victor banned is not related to this issue. Give it a rest.
I know it’s upsetting to you when I point out you have carved out exceptions on who gets to be racist.
There is also an aspect of Luciom is just a bad faith poster and there is a lot more leeway for good faith posters to post controversial takes and not immediately receive an insta ban for it
Still don't think we are equipped as a community to have full blow race science discussions though
That isn’t fair. He is not bad faith at all. He doesn’t even really try to skirt the edges of what is allowed. He just says what he believes and faces whatever consequences there is for it.
Appeal to consensus (that isn’t even a real concensus, just the consensus of voices that are allowed to speak) is not how science works either.
VERY few of the denizens of P&S can speak intelligently about science. Mostly, it's just a simple back and forth of cherry picked data.
But again, at some point you just have to accept that scientific debate on certain political topics is against the religious beliefs of our ruling class, and hence verboten, so there is nothing to do about it.
Correct! stay in one's lane seems to be spot on because..... the unscientific back and forth is pointless (and irritating)
That isn’t fair. He is not bad faith at all. He doesn’t even really try to skirt the edges of what is allowed. He just says what he believes and faces whatever consequences there is for it.
It is somewhat unfair as hes not a purely bad faith poster but he has distinctly bad faith characteristics
Appeal to consensus (that isn’t even a real concensus, just the consensus of voices that are allowed to speak) is not how science works either.
But again, at some point you just have to accept that scientific debate on certain political topics is against the religious beliefs of our ruling class, and hence verboten, so there is nothing to do about it.
You need to learn the difference between censorship for being unpopular and rejection for being bad science.
Your racist pseudoscience is not being censored; it is being rejected. Science has no personal opinions or political agenda; it has evidence, methods, and reproducibility. We will not tolerate racist claims under the guise of “science” that is not based in the above three criteria.
Why does this creepy kelhus99 guy hate black people so much?
I doubt there is a consensus on population genetics as it is still very much in its infancy. We’re still getting over the “junk DNA” hypothesis.
I know it’s upsetting to you when I point out you have carved out exceptions on who gets to be racist.
I barely notice you. It’s why you insert yourself so frequently.
I will say that Dunyain is a much better poster than I remember Kelhus being
