The murder of Charlie Kirk

Of course Luciom would try to bullshit a way that the statistics would slant in his favor and be completely wrong to do so.

This is what we mean when we call him bad faith

It’s not measuring political violence but rather terrorism.

Appendix: What Is Excluded?
This analysis excludes a number of incidents that further contribute to the perception of an increase in left-wing violent activity in 2025. Different definitions and coding might legitimately include these, but the explanation below details why they are excluded from this dataset.
The definition of terrorism used here excludes the series of attacks against Tesla vehicles and facilities. There were more than 20 such incidents in the United States from January to April 2025. Attacks on Tesla in the United States were linked to individuals expressing opposition to CEO Elon Musk’s political affiliations, particularly his role and actions in the Trump administration. Although the CSIS study team determined these attacks were incidents of economic vandalism rather than terrorism, many involved substantial property destruction and drew sharp condemnation from the Trump administration and the Department of Justice. In some cases, prosecutors have even sought terrorism enhancements in charging decisions. Although excluded from this dataset, these highly publicized incidents attracted significant attention and reinforced the perception of escalating left-wing violence in 2025.
There were three high-profile terrorist attacks in the United States in the first half of 2025 motivated by the conflict between Israel and Palestine. These include the April arson attack on Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro’s residence, a May shooting that killed two Israeli Embassy staff in Washington, D.C., and a June firebombing of a pro-Israel solidarity walk in Boulder that injured 15 demonstrators. In this dataset, these attacks are classified as ethnonationalist incidents, rather than left-wing ones. However, it is noteworthy that all three incidents involved attackers motivated by opposition to Israel’s actions in Gaza or U.S. support for Israel—a political position traditionally (though not always) associated with left-wing politics in the United States.
Finally, political demonstrations against immigration and customs enforcement activity across the United States in 2025 also resulted in many violent encounters, namely between law enforcement and demonstrators. However, most of these incidents did not reach a level of violence that satisfied this study’s definition of terrorism, and they were not intended to cause a broad psychological effect. Nonetheless, they too contributed to the perception of growing left-wing violence.

No what happened was Trump was elected less than a year ago and the rhetoric from the democratic leaders has led to a year were the left is the violent party

Not sure how the above post doesn’t get a vacation

Yeah. Just reading the "Exclusion" portions and rationale it is pretty obvious this study is garbage and should be immediate discounted. LOL their rationales for creating separate categories of "ethnonationalist incidents" and "economic vandalism" to hand waive away clear incidents of (leftwing in most cases) domestic terrorism. If this methodology was evenly applied there would literally be no right wing terrorism at all. You could hand waive it all off as "ethno nationalist incidents"

And despite your skepticism, knowing how the FBI works (at least pre Trump) I would 100% assume if the Peckerwood Gang beat up or killed someone in a prison drug deal gone wrong it would be classified as right-wing and/or white-supremacist domestic terrorism, even if the actual motives were completely "business".

And the previous 29 years?

You complain about coordi's post but this post is doing doing exactly what he and the tweet said; ignoring all the grey bars to try to make out this single year is somehow worse than the historic drastically higher rate of right-wing terrorism.

A republican staffer posted it as an example of how violent the left is. That you guys are ripping the study as nonsense only makes it funnier

I’d have to look into the methodology more, it was just reading what was being measured and it doesn’t appear to be political violence.

For the most part I agreed with their normative prescriptions, which is that ascribing political violence to Republicans or Democrats doesn’t line up to the ostensible motives of the “terrorists” that the study looked at.

There are 11 total ethnonationalist incidents counted in the past 20 years (albeit 10 of them are in the last 4) so it's hardly skewing the numbers that much. And you seem to have completely ignored the fact that WITT used their own criteria that is completely unrelated to how the FBI classifies anything. I would be incredibly surprised if any of the right-wing incidents counted were prison violence because the criteria is explicitly that is must have the intent of achieving political goals.

And checkraisdraw's point is also important, that it is a measure of political terrorism rather than generic violence, which is the justification for not including attacks that deliberately had little/no threat to life and was narrowly targetted at a specific business rather than a broader political ideology (admittedly the Tesla stuff specifically could be debated on the latter count, although it does say "many" of them were excluded, which implies at least one was included).

Yes the Republican staffer clearly didn’t read the study if he was trying to use it for political points scoring. It actually calls left wing terrorists “weak”

That was basically my first thought, since it didn't match my perception of things, which the study confirmed:

Sorry, if a guy with known extreme leftist views goes to an Israeli event and assassinates 2 Jews while screaming "Free Palestine" and that isn't domestic terrorism in your methodology, then any reasonable person should be extremely suspect of the entire methodology and study. And that is independent of who is trying to promote the study to push their own agenda.

And I am extremely confident that if the roles were reversed (known right wing extremist screaming some kind of anti-immigrant right wing political slogan while assassinating 2 persons at a CAIR event) the authors would absolutely consider it right wing terrorism, and not an "ethno nationalist incident."

if you are referring to this incident: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Capit..., well as usual you got your facts wrong. they people he killed werent Jews.

Like I said earlier how do they calculate on what is a violent act . This last year it’s easy to remember. Heck we all remember Jan 6 th . You think the year of the BLM riots the left would lead but I’m just guessing they are not counting those as violent

Monitoring of right-wing groups and right-wing extremism was effectively disbanded shortly after Trump took power. Former reports on right-wing terrorism were made unavailable.

This is going to cause you a lot of trouble in the coming future, as these people and groups absolutely will seek out military training and law enforcement positions, and they will also expand their recruitment to members of those groups in far larger numbers than they have been able to before.

For the last two decades, Islamists and far-right terrorists have been the two threats identified across the western world as most willing and most able to carry out terrorist acts. While that can certainly change, it didn't suddenly change overnight. Nor was this somehow a giant book-keeping error somehow done by all the developed world's intelligence agencies in unison.

Now, we can speculate why this change in monitoring took place. Unfortunately, there are no answers that make the Trump administration look good, only varying degrees of bad.

I totally agree that if the far right fly off the handle it's going to be very ugly. The right are like 10/10 outraged about kirks murder. Cities aren't being burned down. People aren't being murdered. We couldn't say the same about saint floyd.

Then Kimmel smears the right and kirk. When he gets taken off air a leftist starts shooting at the station. The left is not a fan of the concept of borders and citizenship. They're attacking and shooting at ice agents

We can talk about historically or potentially dangerous, sure. But let's be real, left is totally unhinged at the moment and aside from maybe like Bill Maher nobody on the left has the balls to call them on it. Zero effort to seperate themselves from this lunacy

Firey but mostly peaceful

A psychotic trumper literally just shot up, ran through, and burned down a church as retribution for Charlie Kirks murder against.... mormons

You guys are so patently dishonest that I'm legitimately baffled how you can gainfully exist in reality

It was less than two days ago you potatos

The biggest single event of death at a BLM riot was when a far right extremist drove through a crowd of protestors

You clowns really don't want to go event for event on this because you will end up covered in make up every single time.

I already posted the methodology in this thread. It’s also easily available from the link provided by coordi.

They weren’t including property crime because they were strictly measuring terrorism.

ICE shooter. Libertarian, ie = white male conservative. Edge lord or whatever, doesn't matter.

Church Shooter. Ex-military, Republican, Trump/Vance supporter.

Just like 95% of American domestic violence... it's right-wing.

Does it matter? Yes... especially when we have a hostile administration, lying to the American people and declaring open war on fellow Americans.

I heard about the incident but nothing on who did it or why. Thanks for the update. Since you're so unreliable I'll have to search for the story myself

The right and far right are both on the right. Both were outraged by kirks murder

Being a dickhead would make more sense if you weren't being stupid