The murder of Charlie Kirk
Can we all admit that the majority of extremism is coming from the left over the last handful of years?
Apparently they j
Dawit Kelete was/is in no way a far right extremist. If you have evidence that says otherwise I'd like to see it. I saw the video of him ramming that chick. Brutal.
Yeah, I guess I was mixing up the unite the right guy with another BLM right winger who only injured people
It’s hard to keep all these different right winger political attacks from the last decade straight
How many groups of the right are we working with these days?
Does Far Right, Maga, Traditional Conservatives & Establishment Rinos cover it? Seems like we could squeeze in some more. Might need to get you guys your own rainbow flag.
I stumbled across another analysis of political terrorism that is interesting and includes a list of every incident they included in their dataset:
(the links in the first sentence are the actual analysis and dataset)
Yes! I want to express that is indeed a personal preference that I have.
I don’t want to trauma dump but there are all kinds of issues with the minority of the lgbtq community that for whatever reason, usually awful ones, are willing to support people like Trump.
A lot of gay republicans want to project masculinity or “normalcy” but in a way that actually comes from just being immature, which I understand well.
Others have issues that no gay man should have, like with consent.
Yeah. Just reading the "Exclusion" portions and rationale it is pretty obvious this study is garbage and should be immediate discounted. LOL their rationales for creating separate categories of "ethnonationalist incidents" and "economic vandalism" to hand waive away clear incidents of (leftwing in most cases) domestic terrorism. If this methodology was evenly applied there w
Do you know what group experiences the most unreported violence in prison and jails on a percentage basis?
hint it’s the one conservatives spend a significant amount of time fantasizing about.
Yeah, which I remembered that being 2 deaths but apparently it was just the one
Kyle Rittenhouse might have been the actual single biggest death event during BLM
I guess it depends on how much you want to attribute the leap in homicide rate in 2020 to BLM. The spike pretty much coincided completely with BLM and the Summer of Floyd riots.
So, do tell, what do you think that 1.4 increase per 100k represents in raw murder numbers in 2020?
Well, according to Google AI:
In 2020, there were 22,510 homicides in the United States, according to FBI data compiled by Statista. This represented a dramatic 29% increase in the murder rate from the previous year, the largest single-year jump ever recorded in the country.
If your argument is we have such a big population this is minuscule in raw numbers and not a big deal then I am not going to dispute this. But given the riots themselves were ostensibly in response to police killing black men, and this happens at a rate of something like 200 individuals/year; hard to justify the riots themselves using this logic.
Given the rate was already much higher before Floyd was murdered and the rate stayed the same after the murder and while the BLM movement grew there's no real evidence that BLM had more than a neglibible contribution to the spike. Far more likely is the fact that high schools were closed and many people lost their jobs due to Covid. The spike in the rate corresponds almost perfectly with when people were starting to leave the house more after the initial stay-at-home orders were eased in ~April. This also explains why the spike lasted through 2021 and dropped drastically by 2023/2024, since that's the sort of timeframe over which those factors renormalised.
Well, according to Google AI:In 2020, there were 22,510 homicides in the United States, according to FBI data compiled by Statista. This represented a dramatic 29% increase in the murder rate from the previous year, the largest single-year jump ever recorded in the country.If your argument is we have such a big population this is minuscule in raw numbers and not a big deal then
Let's just back up a second and not use AI like some unitard.
Since you posted a chart to prove your point, I'm asking you a question that can be derived from the chart you posted in order to vet your point.
The increase in 2020 shown on the chart you posted is 1.4 murders per 100k in a population of 330 million, so what does that translate to actual raw numbers?
Now compare that number with the total murders during the Floyd riots. Now try to explain how that total increase "coincided completely with the Floyd riots" as you claimed.
Let's just back up a second and not use AI like some unitard. Since you posted a chart to prove your point, I'm asking you a question that can be derived from the chart you posted in order to vet your point. The increase in 2020 shown on the chart you posted is 1.4 murders per 100k in a population of 330 million, so what does that translate to actual raw numbers? Now compare th
Why would I try to guesstimate off a chart when I have the literal raw numbers? We can literally look up how many murders were in 2019 and 2020.
Given the rate was already much higher before Floyd was murdered and the rate stayed the same after the murder and while the BLM movement grew there's no real evidence that BLM had more than a neglibible contribution to the spike. Far more likely is the fact that high schools were closed and many people lost their jobs due to Covid. The spike in the rate corresponds almost perf
Yeah, iirc there was a 25% spike in white on white homicide as well.
Why would I try to guesstimate off a chart when I have the literal raw numbers? We can literally look up how many murders were in 2019 and 2020.
Because you made a firm conclusive declaration based off the chart, derp. Guesstimate? The numbers are literally written on the chart, Abigail Jackson.
You saw a spike on a chart and like a unitard popped off and said, "That's because of the Summer of Love riots!!!"
Weren't there like 25 deaths (not even murders, which is what your chart represented) during the Floyd riots? How are you equating 25 deaths to represent the over 4600 increase in murders in 2020?
BTW, if you would have dug a little deeper, the states that had the biggest increase in murders in 2020 were: Montana, South Dakota, Delaware and Kentucky.
I guess it depends on how much you want to attribute the leap in homicide rate in 2020 to BLM. The spike pretty much coincided completely with BLM and the Summer of Floyd riots.
The Floyd riots basically had nothing to do with the increase of murders in the US in 2020. Murder rates escalated about 6 weeks before Floyd was killed and then pretty much stayed at that rate for the rest of the year. It was basically a direct result of the pandemic.
."New data offers a potential explanation. In this report, we analyze thousands of police records and compare them to changes that occurred in U.S. cities just before homicides started to surge. This showed that the spike in murders during 2020 was directly connected to local unemployment and school closures in low-income areas. Cities with larger numbers of young men forced out of work and teen boys pushed out of school in low-income neighborhoods during March and early April, had greater increases in homicide from May to December that year, on average. The persistence of these changes can also explain why murders remained high in 2021 and 2022 and then fell in late 2023 and 2024."
I could see how your response makes sense due to my ambiguos writing style. I wasn’t claiming raw numbers, obviously men overall experience the most violence. I meant that if you look within groups, transgender women face the highest rates by percentage. Studies show they’re assaulted at rates many times higher than other inmates
https://www.hivlawandpolicy.org/resource...
thereare many studies and bjs surveys
Given the rate was already much higher before Floyd was murdered and the rate stayed the same after the murder and while the BLM movement grew there's no real evidence that BLM had more than a neglibible contribution to the spike. Far more likely is the fact that high schools were closed and many people lost their jobs due to Covid. The spike in the rate corresponds almost perf
Yes, obviously covid was a much much more important factor than whatever guilt conservatives want to attribute to the black lives matter movement.
Charlie Kirk was the victim of a horrible crime and should still be alive today.
We find ourselves discussing issues like blm, and trans women in a way that indirectly honors his real impact.
The Floyd riots basically had nothing to do with the increase of murders in the US in 2020. Murder rates escalated about 6 weeks before Floyd was killed and then pretty much stayed at that rate for the rest of the year. It was basically a direct result of the pandemic.
hmmm.... First stimulus checks came out 6 weeks before Floyd was killed.
Firearm purchases spiked to historic highs in spring–summer 2020, right after the checks hit.
I imagine the illegal drug business did the same in impoverished communities.
I could see how your response makes sense due to my ambiguos writing style. I wasn’t claiming raw numbers, obviously men overall experience the most violence. I meant that if you look within groups, transgender women face the highest rates by percentage. Studies show they’re assaulted at rates many times higher than other inmates
Right, but then transwomen inmates are far more likely to be in prison for sexual offenses:
Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):
76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%
125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%
13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison 16.8%
This is important as prisoners in jail for a sexual offence are disproportionately involved in sexual assault incidents as both assailants and victims
Sexual Assaults Reported in Prisons: Exp...
The moral of this story is if you're in jail for raping someone, don't be shocked and surprised when you get raped.
I would argue there is no moral in that story. It’s essentially rape apologia. Even if the claim is true in small sample sizes or certain jurisdictions, we don’t sentence people to human rights abuses for past crimes.
And if you’re inferring that trans identity in some way causes a higher rate of sexual crime, I’d say that’s probably a bannable offense.
"small sample sizes" works both ways though. In other words, all claims about transgender people can be dismissed on that basis.
And if you’re inferring that trans identity in some way causes a higher rate of sexual crime, I’d say that’s probably a bannable offense.
Good job I never mentioned or inferred cause then.
I would argue there is no moral in that story. It’s essentially rape apologia. Even if the claim is true in small sample sizes or certain jurisdictions, we don’t sentence people to human rights abuses for past crimes.
And if you’re inferring that trans identity in some way causes a higher rate of sexual crime, I’d say that’s probably a bannable offense.
Just wanted to take a second out of my day and applaud you and Coordi on the excellent job you two are doing on silencing any and all speech.
