1/3: Great mistake with 88?
Unknowns - game just started ($400 effective) MAWG in MP opens for $12
B calls $12 - H (BB) squeezes to $45 with 88
(was this a mistake?)
MP raises to $147, B folds, Hero ?
10 Replies
V let you know you’re behind and you’re not getting the right odds to set mine. Easy fold.
I’m never 3 betting 88 here in a 1-3 game. In a bigger game where players open lighter then maybe.
For me, 88 specifically is one of the hands I almost never squeeze with because it's not high enough to be really strong, but is high enough that if you ever get it in set over set, it's reasonably likely that you're ahead (BN cold-calling range will probably include any lower pocket pair, but not JJ+). So it's essentially the perfect hand to set mine. I'd like the squeeze more with 55 and below or TT and above. (I'd still probably flat the lower pocket pairs as well, but I think it is closer.)
Straight-forward fold after the 4bet.
If you call, you have good value for a set and on some low and other flops. If you 3! OOP, you aren't going to know where you are at postflop and you don't make many draws to semibluff with. A 4! at 1/3 is most AA/KK, so easy fold at that point.
Until I have a much better idea of what is going on, I just take the conservative route here and flat prefllop and see what happens. Only when I have a much better handle on things would I consider 3betting.
Seems like a trivial fold readless facing the 4bet.
GcluelessNLnoobG
The fold was a given…
But I think the 3bet turned into a good play as villain showed his strength (he flashed aces) and allowed me to get away from my hand early.
Calling along seems reasonable with 88 if low cards hit the board and I might have lost more. Obviously, wanted to fold the high cards and I like taking an aggressive line early.
Honestly, I rarely think it’s worth raising from the BB, but I play mid-pairs fast. So, it looked like a good squeeze opportunity and I seized it. I gained info this time, what are the drawbacks to this play?
If I call, is it just fit or fold even with a low card flop? Not knocking it, seems a fine strategy OOP to me. It’s hard to be aggressive at the right times.
Thanks for all comments
Results oriented. Plus if he had AA, you could have stacked him by flat calling.
But I think the 3bet turned into a good play as villain showed his strength (he flashed aces) and allowed me to get away from my hand early.
Results-wise, this is kinda a horrendous result, imo. Even if we flat and call a cbet, we get to see 4 equity realizing cards and get to see the turn action, for likely around $35. Instead we sink $45 and realize no equity whatsoever.
And were we planning on sinking much much more than $45 into the pot on most runouts? Cuz otherwise the info we gained didn't help us out much at all.
We're probably much better off 3bet/folding a hand like AQo here (as it has high RIO postflop against better when we flop TP and low IO when our TP outflops our opponent), whereas 88 has massive IO / very little RIO postflop.
Gnothatin',justsayin'G
3b is okay, but I think the size is too small. I don’t think V is folding much for that size. I would have made it 60 or just called
If you flat called, you would on average lose a lot less on a low flop than he would lose if you hit a set.
