Flop facing x/r from shortstacker
Flop facing x/r from shortstacker

Flop facing x/r from shortstacker

1/3 9 handed

V opens huge(25~35) and showed me 1 time w/t9s.
limped pot 3~4way, 569dd he x/c in sb, turn 3 check/check, river k he bets and showed a 5 after taking it down.

Have no clue of his limp/calling range

V has only 200ish we cover

Ep limps
Ep+1 limps (fish)
V in mp limps
Hero in Co w/KQ opens to 23
they all call

4way pot 96
Flop Q82
All checks to Hero
Hero cbets 25
+1 calls
V x/r to 75 with 130 behind
Hero???

05 October 2025 at 01:17 AM
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We're not folding, and calling the flop means we go the turn with an SPR of 0.5.

Might as well just shove over the c/r, unless we think he could have a hand so weak he'll bluff off the rest of his chips but won't call a shove.


Make it 140.


by dangomango m

1/3 9 handed

V opens huge(25~35) and showed me 1 time w/t9s.
limped pot 3~4way, 569dd he x/c in sb, turn 3 check/check, river k he bets and showed a 5 after taking it down.

Have no clue of his limp/calling range

Him over over limp in the SB and having a 5 doesn't tell us much.

Super common EP limp/call range is like Axs and 55- ... him raising T9s and limping A5s would be far from unique as well.

by dangomango m

V has only 200ish we cover

Ep limps
Ep+1 limps (fish)
V in mp limps
Hero in Co w/KQ opens to 23
they all call

4way pot 96
Flop Q82
All checks to Hero
Hero cbets 25
+1 calls
V x/r to 75 with 130 behind
Hero???

I don't mind anything except folding flop ... but it's possible the best line is calling flop and then thinking about folding if a diamond hits the turn. If a diamond misses you have to shove turn though, no matter what happens.


id just jam


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Surprised at everybody getting it in.
In game only 2 options crossed my mind, fold or call.
On such flop, a x/r and for this sizing, I thought his range was value heavy, maybe some combo draws
so his range all of a sudden to me it looked like(sets/fd)

Anyhow I called in game.
Turn was A
He snap jammed.
I puked fold.
He showed me Q7o????

Eventually he busted out after 3betting 60 w/KQs and snap calling 4bet jam for like 400 total.


you need to start learning SPR and how people play differently when they are short vs deep stacked.

its not that hard, basically top pair good kicker is the nuts vs. short stacks.

deep stacked you have to be more cautious with one pair because you dont want pots getting out of control.

also i have no idea why you think that ace helped him catch up. if he had AQ you are already beat. if he had a flush draw with the Ad theres nothing you can do but thats not much of his range. play the other guy's cards not your own strength.

final rant: this is why i hate when people say "fold and wait for a better spot." you wait for the perfect spot and the fish has already busted.


The shorter effective stacks are and the more comfortable we are committing with TP versus these limpers, the more I'm cool with preflop. Deeper and after a world of limpers I'd actually be ok with overlimping here, but I'll get outvoted on that.

If effective stacks were all $200, I'd just bet large on the flop to get the rest in on the turn; at an SPR of ~2 and a somewhat drawy board I think you could also just jam. But if some effective stacks are much much larger then flop becomes a lot more tricky, and I think a small bet to see what stack size we're up against is fine.

Again, the tricky thing facing the check/raise isn't the check/raiser's stack; we are trivially committed against this joker and his small stack. The tricky thing is if we're much much deeper with the caller (who we don't want to commit against). Anyhoo, I'd lean to a shove against the shorter stack and kinda hope the other guy isn't deep / comes along.

ETA: I've seen enough results like this thru my own hands to comfortably come to the following conclusion: I can safely turn off my brain in low SPR pots and simply sigh commit with good TP. ~No deviations (if we're somehow going to deviate, let it be against the face up of nittiest nits, which this guy obviously ain't). The SPR here is 2 (at least, against this guy); don't outthink ourselves here.

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