1/2: KK, 3b pot, line check please

1/2: KK, 3b pot, line check please

UTG ($300, slightly loosish player who likes to raise small pairs pre) opens $15, MP ($200) calls, SB ($45) calls, Hero BB (covers) 3b $75 K️K️ (misclick as I didn’t see MP caller), UTG calls, MP folds, SB calls

Flop ($240): 7️5️4
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn ($240): 7
SB checks, Hero bets $75 (was confused about sizing here but wanted to proceed cautiously), UTG folds, SB calls

River ($390): 5
SB checks, Hero contemplates value betting like $250 to look bluffy, but with our image and SB not seeming the type to hero call with like 88 here, Hero checks back

I’m mainly interested in the flop and turn line.

Is flop mostly a check on this flop even though it doesn’t hit much of a 3b call range?

Is turn sizing too small? Doesn’t betting larger narrow down their ranges?

30 September 2025 at 02:57 PM
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You put SB($45); what does SB have?

You got enough in preflop that I would bet 100-200 on the flop and shove almost all turns. You could also just shove this flop. You could also be shoving a flush draw on this flop. If someone has KK beat, so be it. If you were really deep, you could check the flop, but IMO that was a big mistake. There are all sorts of possible draws, and you can't give 2 players a free card.


Guessing you meant to add a zero to SB. With that, any bet (>75) realistically commits either V. UTG has 225 on flop, SB has 375, and pot is 240. H blocks some diamond draws.

I don't mind betting something like 80-120 now. Calling off UTG---not much of their open/call range intersects with this board, we beat their likely PPs and bluffs. If H is going to go bigger, might as well shove at these stacks.

Turn and a paired top pair; sure, bet fold. Maybe a touch more, considering below.

River...SB should have 300 back, pot's 390. Does your pool treat double paired boards (where neither should be in the 3!er's hand) as green lights to go nuts with an Ace? Mine does. I don't mind taking showdown value here, but if H wanted to shove a 3/4-ish pot bet, fine too. I don't think it gets called often enough by stuff H beats, but that's going to depend on your image.


Sorry guys, typo: SB ($450) to start


Someone could have a set, but a straight with 86s or 63s is unlikely. 75s, 74s, and 54s are 2-pair, but someone would have to call a 3! with those, and you are about 30% against 2-pair on the flop.

If it was a single raised pot, I would start by checking this flop. With an SPR of 1.2-2, I would go full speed ahead. You want to get value and not let them draw cheaply. This isn't that bad a flop, because it being connected only helps low suited connectors / gappers. A JT8 flop would be much worse.


So, the flop smacks V’s range, still there’s more draws & misses than made hands. Bet the $75 on the flop, a 3bet followed by a check looks weird.

The turn is good as you now beat V’s 2pairs, and the draws missed, so keep barreling.

No info on SB - need info on SB
But if he wants to check-call, you’re likely ahead.


I think you just played this super cautiously thinking he had a set for whatever reason. The good thing once you check the flop is your line looks FOS so you should be able to get away with big value bets. It's clear by the river you have a better hand than SB so I'd bet.


how about we just rip flop? I mean wtf there's already an entire stack in there, seems like 0 postflop play in a game like this if people are just casually calling $75 in a 1/2 game. This is bingo poker and you scored a point. Move on to round 2


There is some reason to shove flop. A decent portion of turn cards put a 1-liner to a straight or a possible flush out there. You could be shoving with a draw as well. There are other approaches, but checking is not good.


Just jam flop, put them in bad spots with hands like 66, 67, 78, 88+. We can do this with nfd as well.


Grunch:

PRE - raise bigger. Understand you missed that there was an additional caller in MP.

FLOP - UTG has less than a PSB left. I think we should be trying to set up for a turn jam. I'd probably bet 1/3 pot, with a plan to jam on any turn card that doesn't complete a draw.

TURN - Think we can pot it here, if not over-bet.

RIVER - I think we need to try to assign SB some sort of range that double-flats pre, then calls the turn after UTG folds, and checks again when the board pairs again on the river.

Our bet was pretty small, so he could get to the river with a pretty wide range of hands that include some over-pairs to the board, and some busted draws. Sometimes we can get called by someone with ace-high when the board is double-paired.

If that's his range, then I'd think we could bet something small, to get called by ace-high and any of his over-pairs to the board. I might bet $150 to $180 here.


You have $375 behind on this flop ($240)? I'm just going to go for it. This is a disgusting flop if you raised UTG and got 2 callers but in a stack-committing 3bet pot it's much safer. I bet $100+ OTF and then stick it in on every turn.


not sure why you are checking flop with SPR < 2

bet flop like $1/3, 1/2 pot turn, jam river, get called by worse overpairs, easy game. if someone flopped a set they get your stack.


I agree that we need to bet flop here. In small stakes like $1/$2 you don't need to be considered with balance, as even on a flop like 7d-5d-4s not many players will attack your bet with hands like 87, 76, 56 or 88. Most opponents are passive and will just call with these instead of putting you in a difficult spot.

So you can easily bet for value until they tell you otherwise. On this flop I would probably bet something like $90 to set up a turn-jam. But you could also easily go bigger, as no-one is folding an overpair to the board anyway.

They 7 on the turn doesn't scare me much either, as they shouldn't have a lot of 7x in their range. But with you checking the flop we obviously don't know a whole lot about their ranges yet as played.

In short, you lost a ton of value here and I cannot imagine a world where your hand was not good on the river.


There are so many turns where you won't know what to do or which might kill your action. I now think shove is best, representing AK/AQ/A4s/KQs, etc.


The flop...in a single raised pot with a deeper stack relative to the pot ..then you might be cautious. But as it is a 3b pot and SPR is <2, I would start with a flop bet and try to get it in by the turn.

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