When others comment on how tight/nitty you are

I get a lot of this myself. I'll admit I find it a bit annoying if when I limp in someone says "oh oh, GG is in the pot, careful everyone!" cuz I think it clearly violates OPTAH. However, I think it is best for the vibe of the game to just kinda grin and bear it when it happens.

Overall, I find self-effacing humour is probably the best route and I join in on the insults directed at me with a smile and a laugh.

"I force myself to play a hand once an hour whether I want to or not, and this is that hand, so watch out."

"I haven't played a hand since I was clean shaven." (full disheveled beard)

"I expect no less than three callers to my raise."

"I haven't played a hand since last Tuesday and you call?"

"I'm totally card dead this session, keep getting **** like JJ and AQs, what am I supposed to do?"

In response to I only play AA/KK: "Kings?!?! Lol, I'm not a maniac sir."

Hopefully we're getting into a cheap pot every now again in LP, so perhaps when we table a non-premium we can make the table aware of it ("I misread my hand, I thought I had pocket Kings, oh man".

Basically, roll with the punches and just be pleasant to play with as you fold your way to victory. Against the truly horrible players / low hanging fruit (of which there is a lot of at LLSNL) it simply ain't going to matter too much what they think of you.

GcluelessnitnoobG

From the owner's perspective, the goal of pub poker is to sell more beer or drinks. Therefore, the owner wants it to be friendly and non-serious. Whenever you aren't playing many hands and when you do, you look serious, you are going against what the owner wants. Since the players are there to have fun and gamble, you're going to have to accept some comments. Best way to handle them is laugh along with joke. Anytime you enter a pot, announce that you finally got aces and are going to play. You'll find that many of them aren't going to fold, which shows they don't really believe it.

100pct what GG said: Roll with it.

Exact same is true if they accuse you of raising or betting too much. In this case you'd say - "Hey I'm hitting cards today. Not my fault I got 74 suited twice!"

Just throwing this out there, but you can play any random hand from the button and win 1/3 of the time, even vs an open raise.

Some games it doesn’t matter you can raise to $50 and get callers no matter how tight your image. But when they start over-folding to exploit you, it’s time to bluff a little. When a rock starts barreling, nobody hangs around.

You have no control over your image, it depends on the cards you are getting. But be aware of and use your image. You don’t have to do it often or change your style, just create some doubt about the hands you might play.

A rock can usually win a little from a redline attack, folding everyone. But the crushers drag villain to the river with value and take his stack.

Note: don’t let people talking about your play goad you into suboptimal play, but have a plan as your image develops. When they talk about me, I usually smile and shrug. Talk is cheap

The only people who whine about others are people trying to get action for themselves. The term is "fake action" players, and you should reciprocate the sentiment in kind. They are also playing tight, maybe marginally looser than you, and are trying to cast the spotlight away from themselves hoping that you will loosen up so that they can remain playing tight without anyone noticing. An actual LAG loves it when there's a nit at the table, one less player to worry about. The last thing they're gonna do is try to get action from you, hence the 'fake action' monicker.

A nit image is not good. It is the easiest type of player to play against. Even clueless recreationals can notice someone who hardly plays any hands and decide to stay away from that person in hands. U need a new non-nit image. So if the games are loose passive, and there is a caller(s) in front of u, limp every unraised trash hand on the button. Don't think about it as throwing a big blind away. Think about it as investing in ur image to increase profitability of ur good hands. And sometimes u even get lucky and make 2 pair or trips. The showdown is ur advertising of a non-nit hand. Or if u win the pot uncontested, show ur lucky trash hand and ask them how they knew that u had a monster. When ur in the cutoff and the button rarely raises, do the same thing. If there is a caller(s) in front of u, limp every unraised trash hand. I know this is counter-intuitive, but remember, it's an investment in ur image to increase profitability of ur good hands. Obviously if the button is a frequent raiser, fold trash and marginal hands in the cutoff. When players ask u why ur playing more hands now, tell them that ur getting good cards now. Hehe. U'll also find that u'll get looked up more with ur good hands.

This is true in casino 1/3 and 2/5. But he's playing 1/1 at a bar. If he's getting called out for his nitty image at a bar, then his tablemates are not lying or fake action players. He needs to loosen up his image some.

GG has it right. Play how you want to play, but you can't be a sourpuss over people labelling you a nit, so take it in good humour and play along.

Just about everything you said in your post is either factually incorrect or bad advice or both. I'd give this advice to a newer player if I was a dick and wanted to take money from them.

Clueless recs will label a tight player a nit. A tight player is playing correctly. The incongruence between their perception and the player's actual range in any given situation leads to profit.

A nit image doesn't matter at all in this scenario. It does matter if you want to get invited to a juicy home game or a whale heavy invite only table but that's a totally different situation.

Or he can loosen up a little in late position, lose the nit image and increase his profitability.

It's just a bb he's losing on the btn and maybe co, genius. He wouldn't be loose post-flop. Yes, his nit image gets paid sometimes anyway, but when loose passive recs give u little action bc they think ur a nit, it's time to adjust.

Yeah, it's a really fine line of keeping as good a vibe as possible but meanwhile also making sure the inmates aren't running the asylum. A really good dealer will shut down that **** immediately, an ok dealer I might lightly question (with a laugh and a smile) "I'm not so sure he's allowed to say that?", and a poor dealer it's a lost cause. And floors can really only do so much. In the end, it's mostly just part of LLSNL so you have to grin and bear it as best as possible.

GcluelesstattletalenoobG

Don’t let table talk get to you, and be careful with sample size —is this actually happening all the time or did it just happen a few times recently?

Bigger thing I’d worry about if you actually are being called out regularly is that you are playing too nitty. It’s a little different in pub leagues, but overall good poker is much more LAG than the average play at live low stakes.

The adjustment to loose passive players isn’t play tighter, it’s value bet insanely thin.

Putting all strategy aside, I can see 3 logical possibilities:

1) You aren't a nit, in which case it should be seen as a good thing that people are mislabeling you.

2) You are a nit and you're okay with that, in which case you need to learn to love yourself for who you are.

3) You are a nit but you wish you weren't one, in which case you need to study up and learn additional 0EV+ spots and plays so that some day you can emerge from your cocoon as a beautiful mediocre TINO.

I would not adjust by getting tilted and/or clicking buttons just to "change gears."

Honestly there's a reason those octagenarians who fold and fold and fold while drinking coffee, can still afford to go to the card room or casino while on Social Security.

People don't adjust, and so at worst they're marginal losers, and I expect most of them break even or are marginal winners.

I've seen people call the nits out as nits and *still* call them running into their Aces.

This is wildly incorrect. Nits who are basically never over initial buy in deep, could get paid on their KK+ every single time, and they still wouldn’t beat the rake. Less than 15% of LLS players beat the rake, and none of that 15% are OMCs.

I know it is definitional, but even extreme OMCs are happy to limp in with AK and higher pocket pairs. They play more than KK+.

If they think you're nitty/passive then bluff wider/call down lighter. In an ideal world though you want to work towards being a LAG - a good LAG makes the most amount of money, although a bad LAG loses the most amount of money. I think the natural progression for poker or anything else in life is you start tight and as you pick up experience open up.

I think of Nits/OMCs (do we think there's a difference?) broadly as no more loose than 10% VPIP, 5% PFR, and 1% 3b.

Someone like GG is probably at this, and he's a clear winner.

I think of Nits/OMCs (do we think there's a difference?) broadly as no more loose than 10%, VPIP, 5% PFR, and 1% 3b.

Someone like GG is probably at this, and he's a clear winner.

A few thoughts:

First, are you winning? If you're perceived as a nit, but people are still paying you off and you aren't losing too much when your AA/KK gets cracked, and overall its a winrate your happy with - screw them. Don't let other people (who are probably losing) dictate your play. Now if you're sitting there and you raise to $5 and everyone folds all the time, or if you are just not winning what you want, being a nit might be leaving a lot of money on the table. Maybe you want to incrementally work aggression into your game.

Second, are you actually being nitty? My base is to open 30-40% depending on on the table, but if there's someone raising a lot on my right that gets throttled back as I mostly 3! or fold. So sometimes I get labeled a nit, even though I'm playing a loose 3! range and I'm playing bigger pots. Many players are limping 80% of hands, next to them, you SHOULD look nitty unless you hate money.

At the end of the day, its your money, only change your play because you believe it might be better for you.

It sounds like you are playing too tight and need to widen your game.

What is your raising range on the BTN in an unraised pot???

You need to raise fairly wide BTN/CO and use position.

You won't win at higher stakes if you are not capable of mixing it up. Good players will never pay you off and you'll be leaving money on the table against fish.

May I suggest that getting advice outside of this ultra tight Vegas nit group would help.

Nobody with those stats is winning over a significant sample.