1-2: AA facing turn bet on a shitty card
$200-300 stacks
Hero $15 HJ A♦️A♠️, CO BTN SB BB call
Flop ($75): Q♠️8♥️7♥️
Hero bets $30, only CO calls next to act
Ranging him on TP or some draws
Turn ($135): 9♥️
Hero checks, CO snap bets $75 with $175 behind
Hero ?
He’s a 25 year old random and I just moved to this table so IDK how he plays
Is the flop bet too small/big? Figured I need to bet small and tread carefully when it’s this multi-way.. but feels like betting larger may be better?
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Ugh.
I think pre and flop are fine.
I wonder whether bet small/fold is a good line on turn
Nearly all the draws came in.
If Im on my a game, I might fold turn, but I usually call and fold the inevitable river shove.
Maybe block betting the turn and river will work, but it seems sort of face up.
You can do it but you have to also do it with flushes. You just need to have flushes in whatever line you take with AA. But it's ok to fold half your combos of AA on this bad card anyway I think
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5 ways I’m not even sure I bet the flop. Definitely folding AP OTT.
i dont bet this flop 5 ways with 2 behind, especially not without the Ah.
as played i just fold, too likely you are drawing dead 5 ways to the flop
CO’s snap bet range is probably straight draws, flush draws, maybe Qx. You’re ahead of many bluffs, but behind sets or two-pair. Check-call or check-fold is fine; avoid bloating the pot with AA vs a likely drawing or paired range.
I’m definitely betting the flop to get calls from Qx and to charge the many draws. Checking just gives a free card to everyone. Hero is ahead of all hands but 87, 88, 77, assuming the Vs 3bet QQ preflop.
I’m folding the turn against an unknown. V can still have AQ, KQ, and QT. But r most Vs, a large bet on the turn means hero’s overpair is no good.
Bet flop and proceed carefully is fine. Fold now.
Personally, I'd probably size up on the flop for value because KQ, QJ, fd, sd, etc. aren't folding to one bet. I think you get the same calls from $60 as you do from $30, and you're probably best on the flop. But that is more stylistic, there's certainly nothing wrong with your bet.
The turn sucks. Obvious draws hit, and when you check it looks weak - a good player is going to start bluffing when you check this card frequently. On the other hand, continuing to put money into the pot feels spewy when V has so many monsters and is IP. And are $1/$2 players finding a ton of bluffs here? Is he turning Ahx, KQ, TT, 66 into a bluff here? I don't think most players will do that. Even if he has Ah Vs will just check back a lot for the free card. So I don't think you're looking at a lot of bluffs. Even if he finds a few, I think it's very unlikely he has enough bluffs to offset the huge amount of value combos he has so you can fold (and then kick yourself when you see this guy barrelling every chance he gets with napkins).
From his POV, I think the bet is too big. He should bet small to keep hands like AA in, then jam the river if you check a second time with bluffs. I think this is a case where he let you off the hook.
Grunch:
PRE - $15 open seems huge at 1/2, but you got four calls, which makes me wonder if you could go even bigger, to exploit the $hlt out of your splashy opponents.
FLOP - In multi-way pots, on wet-dynamic boards, when there are at least as many opponents behind us as there are in front of us, I just check.
There's just not much reason to bet here. We're getting called by every draw and hand that can improve to beat ours, and probably getting raised by 2P+. If you feel you MUST bet, go small, like $15 again, or go absolutely massive, like over-betting 1.5x the pot. This 1/3-1/2 pot bet isn't accomplishing anything.
TURN - what hands can we beat that snap bet over 1/2 pot? Even if he's semi-bluffing, we'll be committing ourselves to calling off on a lot of river cards.
I'd need a lot more info on V to make this call. I'd probably muck before he even completed his bet.