$500 early - AQss facing utg 4bet at 30bb
7 handed, I have AQss utg+1 with 17k at 3/600. Utg covers. 30min levels, 15min to 4/800. Late reg closing in maybe 1 or 2 levels.
utg opens 1.4k, I 3bet utg+1 4.1k, folds back to utg, utg 4bets 9k after 3 seconds
From the 1+ hr I've played, utg seems to be an ok TAG, he seems to be playing well but has also ran hot, he has 3x starting stack. I've been playing tight as well, played 1 or 2 small hands but have no 3bet pre.
If I fold, I still got 20bb for another 2 orbits before I go into push fold mode. If I gii, only hoping for TT/JJ. It is also weird he 4bet to 9k rather than jamming, not sure if this weighs more towards AA/KK. I don't intend to re register although no one knows that.
What should I do? Thanks
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feels like tens plus, AK maybe. get octopi poker and it will tell you what to do
just flat don't 3bet. otherwise you likely fold out all worse Ax and KQ stuff.
with your stacks and positions, his 4bet will indeed be weighted toward aces and kings.
in vacuum with larger stacks, he may also have 4bet bluffs that include for example suited aces like A5s.
suited broadways want to realize more by flatting, offsuit blockerus broadways can bluff3bet. overall it depends on conrete stacks, positions, cards, opponents
- AQs or KQs will be better flats here, but if you want to play KQoff or KTs, you may be better off 3betting
I would flat. As played, fold to 4! in a live $500, particularly when he makes it half your stack and doesn't shove. He can't really have a bluff, because he is pot committed to call a push.
I'd just call pre - the only point in 3 betting is for him to jam over you with with like AT/KQ/KJ/KT/etc but there's two problems. He probably doesn't open UTG to a 7 handed table too wide, and you 3betting UTG+1 is very strong so I would think he easily folds worse hands and now you're left with the bottom of your range. Now if he opened CO and you 3b the button that changes things significantly but think calling is the way to go.
I don't hate the 3-bet in a live environment (calling is fine too), mainly to try to get heads up and prevent a cascade of calls. AQ doesn't play particularly well multi-way, and I don't typically expect to get 4-bet bluffed. I would probably go a little smaller, like 3.5k. Once he 4-bets I think you just have to fold, although it feels kind of sick to fold here to that sizing.
I would flat. As played, fold to 4! in a live $500, particularly when he makes it half your stack and doesn't shove. He can't really have a bluff, because he is pot committed to call a push.
This is pretty much what I'm thinking.
I see the merit in 3-betting to take the lead, build a bigger pot with a really good hand, and prevent a bunch of callers behind. But the problem is that you get in a real **** situation when this happens, and that with AQs specifically you're going to by and large fold out the hands villain opens with that you dominate (maybe not AJs or KQs). With the immediacy and size of villain's 4-bet, I think you're crushed now. I even think JJ/TT are more likely to be shove-or-flat hands than small 4-bets.
if you call AQs and you get flatters you're the boss vs AJ, KQ, QJ ...
but if you call KTs and get flatters with KQ, KJ, AT you're ***
if you call AQs and you get flatters you're the boss vs AJ, KQ, QJ ...
but if you call KTs and get flatters with KQ, KJ, AT you're ***
Exactly why KTs makes for a good 3-bet/fold hand here. You're not ahead of or flipping with any 4-bets (even the bluffs will be pulled from Ax hands). And if the raiser folds AT, KJ, KQo, that's a really nice win for you.
since we're prob not the only one who is shorter at the table, many players behind can misstep with weak holdings 3betting or shoving, which happens really often
Thanks for the replies, must admit that flatting pre didn't really cross my mind. Certainty merits to do so based on consensus
