Has anyone ever made a worse play than this ?
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I was wondering if anyone had ever made a worse play than this ?
I was playing a £150 buy in tournament at a local casino. Second from last level of the night I am sat with 44bb. We are 6 handed with 12 players left two tables. 35 minutes left of the day before we bag chips. It folds to me on the button blinds are 3k/6k with 6kBBA. I have AQ off suit. I open to 12k small blind folds bb flats he has 40bb stack
. Flop Q 10 6 rainbow. He Donks for 25k (4.2bb) and I shove for 37bb effective.
I don’t think in playing millions of hands in the last 15 years online and live that I could have made a worse play than this. It is so bad that I actually think snap folding is a slightly better play in this spot.
I am glad in a way it has happened as I need to feel the pain for the next couple of days as this will ensure that this scenario never repeats itself.
Has anyone ever made a play like this they want to share
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every poker player has made a bad move many times
honestly Id shove too (in vacuum if I had no reads and no idea whatsoever about that player)
when it goes wrong it can feel like bad play, even though it felt brilliant just moments before, but one cannot unthink it and your view is reversed forever and ever ...
Yeah, you definitely should’ve raised more preflop.
Seems like you shoved for twice pot. I would raise smaller and shove the turn or flat call and reevaluate the turn. I guess he had QT or 66 or something like that, but you should probably look to gii with TPTK button versus BB.
Seems like you shoved for twice pot. I would raise smaller and shove the turn or flat call and reevaluate the turn. I guess he had QT or 66 or something like that, but you should probably look to gii with TPTK button versus BB.
No the pot was 58k (33k pre flop plus 25k lead from bb) I then put him all in for his remaining 200k. So nearly 4x the pot. The turn came a jack river queen bringing in flush. I probably still stack off by river. But in general shoving on flop just felt so bad to me. Even if he snap folds. He had Q6o
The play is that bad it is not even given as an option. Interestingly fold is given at 0.7%. Perhaps I should have snap hero folded especially considering player profile
I mean, it's probably worse than calling or just making a standard raise, but I feel like most of the time your money is getting in anyway. Sometimes people will get it in weird/bad, but probably not 40BB deep.
Fun live anecdote from a few years ago, BB 4k I open A4s to 8500 from HJ. BB (old man) defends and donks 12k with like 60k back, on an AT4r flop. I cover, but not by a lot, and I decide to just shove, because **** it, if he has Ax let's just get it in while I'm ahead. He tanked for like 3 minutes... and called with T8o.
I was trolling a bit as Ive made that same shove mistake too many times. But yeah, I was thinking raise 4x preflop, but 3x is probably better.
Obviously, if you just call the flop, the jack is a really ugly turn card for him. Sailor V.
The play is that bad it is not even given as an option. Interestingly fold is given at 0.7%. Perhaps I should have snap hero folded especially considering player profile
Does that fold % go up if the pot was 45k and he donked 32k?
Pretty coolery, but it really sucks to lose 90% of a big stack like that this deep in the tournament but it seems hard to avoid other than shoving preflop lol.
No the pot was 58k (33k pre flop plus 25k lead from bb) I then put him all in for his remaining 200k. So nearly 4x the pot. The turn came a jack river queen bringing in flush. I probably still stack off by river. But in general shoving on flop just felt so bad to me. Even if he snap folds. He had Q6o
I count it as the pot would be 83K after you would have called with 175K back, so about twice pot.
Overbet may not have been best, but no way you get away from AQ. Anyway, you were 28% to win on the flop.
Seems results oriented about should have raised larger preflop.
I was trolling a bit as Ive made that same shove mistake too many times. But yeah, I was thinking raise 4x preflop, but 3x is probably better.
Obviously, if you just call the flop, the jack is a really ugly turn card for him. Sailor V.
Yes I think I would bet the Jack if I had flatted flop and he checked to me. I think by the river I’m finding it hard to get away
After thinking about it 4 days later I feel it was a good thing. As I feel I was becoming a bit complacent in certain spots. Not counting pot opponents stack etc. I can see now why it is so so important live to keep a mental note of peoples precise stack. Tbh i mainly play online where this is obviously all in BB so there would no scenario where I would see pot 9bb and shove for 42bb but live it is different as you can often be unsure of what exactly is in pot/opponent has behind. I will use the experience to improve so hopefully results start coming live as there are some fabulous tournies coming up
I mean, AQo isn’t a horrible shove from the button six-handed 12 left late in Day One covering both blinds imo. With two prime blockers you’re about 88% to win right there by my math; maybe 2-1 dog against BB’s calling range, and the shorter SB might find a call with AJ or KQ.
I don’t know how GOOD an idea it is though.
After thinking about it 4 days later I feel it was a good thing. As I feel I was becoming a bit complacent in certain spots. Not counting pot opponents stack etc. I can see now why it is so so important live to keep a mental note of peoples precise stack. Tbh i mainly play online where this is obviously all in BB so there would no scenario where I would see pot 9bb and shove fo
Not tracking the pot & opponents stack size has to be the single biggest mistake people make in tournaments—even the biggest names have done it—and probably doesn’t get emphasized nearly enough in otherwise fine advice. It’s killed me countless times.
4x is way too much to open, it's not 2005 anymore. You could leverage your position and strength of hand to size up, especially being a little deeper, but I doubt I'd go bigger than 2.5x.
Preflop sizing is OK. Could go larger. Results oriented looking to fold out Q6.
On the flop, you were 28% against 2 pair. He should never have AA and usually not TT. Not sure if he would donk out fairly large with a set of 6s. So you have to get it in. Shove loses value. Can raise normally and shove turn.
HiI was wondering if anyone had ever made a worse play than this ?I was playing a £150 buy in tournament at a local casino. Second from last level of the night I am sat with 44bb. We are 6 handed with 12 players left two tables. 35 minutes left of the day before we bag chips. It folds to me on the button blinds are 3k/6k with 6kBBA. I have AQ off suit. I open to 12k small blind
Not folding. Calling.
The overbet shove was probably not best. You could either call or raise the donk bet. Not looking to fold TPTK here though.
Not supposed to start by posting results.
