Middle Pair
Middle Pair

Middle Pair

Just sat down to play 1/3 (8-handed)
$400 effective
Hero opens UTG to $15 with TcTs
MP calls, B calls, SB calls, BB calls

5 players (pot $45)
Flop Qd8c2d
Blinds check, Hero checks, MP checks,
Button Bets $30, BB calls, Hero ?

15 October 2025 at 03:30 PM
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Meh. With the diamond draw and a B bet, I might float. Folding is fine, too, until you have more info on the table.

I assume nobody seems nitty, loose, aggro, gamble-y, etc., based on looks/demeanor?


Shouldn't the pot be $75 going to the flop?

With only one over and a fairly dry board I'd be very tempted to bet $30-40 on the flop. If it gets to the turn then reevaluate.


I think this is a fold. He's leading into 4 people. Hard to think hes doing this with less than a queen, let alone a diamond draw.


I fold, we have 2nd pair with 2 outs in a 5 way pot and 2 players want to continue.


by WereBeer m

I fold, we have 2nd pair with 2 outs in a 5 way pot and 2 players want to continue.

This. Importantly, without the Td, we actually only have 1 clean out. And the T fills J9, and a lot of fish will show up with J9o here.

It would be better to call with the Td where we have two clean set outs and also a BDFD.


fold. 5x15=75


by ntnBO m

Shouldn't the pot be $75 going to the flop?

With only one over and a fairly dry board I'd be very tempted to bet $30-40 on the flop. If it gets to the turn then reevaluate.

Not a fan of betting this hand 5 ways where we often don’t have the best hand and have a tough time getting to showdown.


Hero check-raises $120
Everyone folds

Actually, I took this hand from an example in Harrington on Cash Games Volume 1.


Boo.

Why are you posting hands from a book? The least you could do is get the pot size right.

I was avoiding your threads based on the one where you ridiculed the kid with the chip-shuffling skills, but decided to give you the benefit of the doubt before poking my head in here.

Initial read confirmed by this thread. I'm out.


lock thread pls


by FreeCard m

Hero check-raises $120
Everyone folds

Actually, I took this hand from an example in Harrington on Cash Games Volume 1.

Why? What was your intention?


Easy fold. Multiway, your hand’s crushed by Qx and draws.


by docvail m

Boo.

Why are you posting hands from a book? The least you could do is get the pot size right.

I was avoiding your threads based on the one where you ridiculed the kid with the chip-shuffling skills, but decided to give you the benefit of the doubt before poking my head in here.

Initial read confirmed by this thread. I'm out.

Why? I can’t a post a hand history from a legend. I had to change the sizes to make it apply to 1/3, he was playing bigger and I made a mistake on pot size. I don’t think should look at anything else I have to say doc, you are much too sophisticated.

I read everything you write and it’s laborious sometimes, but I like you and others that think poker. I think poker too, but don’t need you poking around.

I celebrate everything, happy, winning poker player - a few old fools with negative energy bothers me not in the least. Don’t see you posting any hand histories doc - jump in there and we’ll tell you how great you are.

I have gone for awhile without the attacks, but all the same people will surely jump in. It appears there’s some very unhappy people on this forum.

And the Buddha said to the man who came to ridicule, β€œif I don’t accept your gift, than who’s gift is it.” Speaking hurtful is a reflection of who you are & has nothing to do with me.


Please don't post 20 year hand histories from a book again.

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