The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched
But, but, you said only in April last year that you used it on Bovada/Ignition.
You seem a little confused. Maybe you just closed it and you still have the evidence somewhere that you can show to prove some of your allegations? Not many people would destroy such evidence of wrongdoing. Please have another look for it. Thanks.
haha he is so full of **** I can smell it through the screen
So you did use a tracker after all? And you also played 4 million hands online... Even if a big part of that is without a tracker that will still leave a big chunk of hands that can prove your claim of a non-random deck.
Like you made the claim that its virtually impossible to have so many KK vs AA with flush draw.
You even said you can back it up because you use a tracker.
This was only last year.
Since you can back it up, please show it.
If you deleted all hand histories by accident you can ask Ignition/Bovada for hand histories
We all just really want to see the evidence of a non-random deck you possess
But, but, you said only in April last year that you used it on Bovada/Ignition.
You seem a little confused. Maybe you just closed it and you still have the evidence somewhere that you can show to prove some of your allegations? Not many people would destroy such evidence of wrongdoing. Please have another look for it. Thanks.
I may have used it last in April. But my hard drive got cleaned out. So I have no hands no hands saved over the years, no hands from anything. I just don't get too involved with the technology so I have no hands that have played in the past anywhere. But why do I need hands? Am I missing something here?
Having a sample of hands that is evidence of non-random card distribution would be important to share imo, as a large sample showing this hasn't existed before - as far as I'm aware. It would make me and others think twice before playing on those sites.
Having a sample of hands that is evidence of non-random card distribution would be important to share imo, as a large sample showing this hasn't existed before - as far as I'm aware. It would make me and others think twice before playing on those sites.
No human that's ever played online will ever have what would be considered an actual good enough sample size. They're always going to say you don't have a big enough sample size. You could have 20 people come forward and say for example we all have the same stats that opponents are hitting flush draws or even they're hitting their own flush drawers at 42% when it should be 35% and they still would say it doesn't matter the sample size is not big enough. You're just wasting your time with that. Nobody's going to take it serious until you have a hundred million hands which nobody will ever have and they know that so they just always keep brushing it off as not a big enough sample size
Having a sample of hands that is evidence of non-random card distribution would be important to share imo, as a large sample showing this hasn't existed before - as far as I'm aware. It would make me and others think twice before playing on those sites.
Exactly this. And yes, considering so many people have claimed to have an experience that proves a rigged deck its weird we still never have seen a sample showing anything non-random.
No human that's ever played online will ever have what would be considered an actual good enough sample size.
Untrue. I have 10 million+ hands, if I good could show im getting 1outered 5% that would be a major outlier proving something non-random is going on.
And just to fresh up your memory. It was you who claimed a non-random deck and said that you got "stats to back it up because you use a tracker"
Its just so unfortunate that your hard drive got cleaned out and you lost all the evidence🙂
No human that's ever played online will ever have what would be considered an actual good enough sample size. They're always going to say you don't have a big enough sample size. You could have 20 people come forward and say for example we all have the same stats that opponents are hitting flush draws or even they're hitting their own flush drawers at 42% when it should be 35%
There are samples of 100m+ hands that is used for mass data analysis, they are just not from 1 single player, although that shouldn't really matter.
Exactly this. And yes, considering so many people have claimed to have an experience that proves a rigged deck its weird we still never have seen a sample showing anything non-random.Untrue. I have 10 million+ hands, if I good could show im getting 1outered 5% that would be a major outlier proving something non-random is going on.And just to fresh up your memory. It was you who
One just so you know I never claimed it was rigged. I claimed that there's not a chance they're dealing 100% randomly. In order for something to be rigged and proven rigged one player or more would have to benefit. There's no chance anybody is benefiting from any deal on any poker site. The only people that have benefiting from any deal on any poker site are the poker sites. So I never claimed it was rigged to make one player win and one player lose, why would they even care about that?. I said the way they deal the cards will generally keep a winners win rate lower this allows losers to lose slower which allows the game to continue longer which creates more rake for the sites. That was always my claim it was never one guys winning and one guys losing because it's rigged. Second of all I'm never going to have a database for long because laptops only last a couple of years and I don't care about backing up the information. It doesn't mean anything to me and I just don't care so if I do use a tracker for a while then I have the information while I'm using the tracker when I buy a new laptop the information is gone. I'm just not a tech person and I just don't care much about it. So it's definitely not a shame that it got wiped out it's always going to get wiped out
Read my sentence again "It was you who claimed a non-random deck and said that you got "stats to back it up because you use a tracker"
Not used the word rigged
Although tempering with the deck so its non-random is in fact rigging, whether players benefit or not.
You had the evidence of this tempered deck.
Yet you deleted it.
Well done.
Read my sentence again "It was you who claimed a non-random deck and said that you got "stats to back it up because you use a tracker"
Not used the word rigged
Although tempering with the deck so its non-random is in fact rigging, whether players benefit or not.
You had the evidence of this tempered deck.
Yet you deleted it.
Well done.
Was not me. I never said I had stats to back up anything. U got the wrong guy. Let me know if u want to play.
Must be a copycat jungmit then 🙂
jungmit, you have well over 250 posts in this "Poker is rigged" thread.
Here are a few of your posts from 2017:
3472612093, 3473095671, 3473890478, 3474058798, 3474619495, 3540916674, 3475396381, 3475553158, 3476539014, 3477438010, 3478757525
Might be a str8 flush or 2 in there
I have hold em manager 2 ....i looked up how many times I made quads on acr. I am estimating how often I hit it live. I have a pretty good memory for hands. ... Bit I get that live I am not going to be 100% right, but I would estimate that live I have made quads around 25 over 14 years.
In 2009 full tilt and pokerstars had a conference and they agrees that the odds on rng's should be changed so since 2009 hand equities have run close together. This is all done as part of keeping the game as even as possible. Research it
Ok. So run this then in your database. See how often a player raises and either the small blind or the big blind gets an above average hand on that hand. The problem most of u have is u think I think some rig is designed to beat me. The rugs I talk about have nothing to do with losing or winning a particular hand. Most of the things I am concerned about are the preflop hand set
And here are a couple of your recent posts:
I may have used it last in April. But my hard drive got cleaned out. So I have no hands no hands saved over the years, no hands from anything. I just don't get too involved with the technology so I have no hands that have played in the past anywhere. But why do I need hands? Am I missing something here?I am in the United States
One just so you know I never claimed it was rigged. I claimed that there's not a chance they're dealing 100% randomly. In order for something to be rigged and proven rigged one player or more would have to benefit. There's no chance anybody is benefiting from any deal on any poker site. The only people that have benefiting from any deal on any poker site are the poker sites. So
Why do you post so much in this thread? You don't think the deal is rigged. You don't have any evidence, one way or the other. You don't care if people believe anything you say or not. Your figures change with the wind.
Who pays you to spread all this disinformation? 
Hhahaha thats some quality research right there.. Its almost like jungmit gets paid by the contradiction :p
You ever associating because I use a tracker to mean that I have proof that something isn't right?
it was your association: "I have stats/stacked to back it up BECAUSE i use a tracker"
Also, this is such a gem
In 2009 full tilt and pokerstars had a conference and they agrees that the odds on rng's should be changed so since 2009 hand equities have run close together. This is all done as part of keeping the game as even as possible. Research it
Apparently they have been altering the RNG since 2009 and Jungmit actually knows that there is research on it! Unfortunately I couldnt find it though
Could you show me this research?
This thread started by Jungmit is also a good laugh for anyone interested
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/185/h...
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Hhahaha thats some quality research right there.. Its almost like jungmit gets paid by the contradiction :pit was your association: "I have stats/stacked to back it up BECAUSE i use a tracker"Also, this is such a gemApparently they have been altering the RNG since 2009 and Jungmit actually knows that there is research on it! Unfortunately I couldnt find it thoughCould you show
I believe the poker sites have been altering the odds since day one.
You can believe all you want but you also said their was research
Please show us
What country are you in? See if we're on the same time zone or not. If yousa what time zone are you in?
OK buddy, I thought I'd pull a "Let's play!" and then not show up but I lost all motivation to pull through.
So no, as I originally said: I don't play lying losers. What would I want with your $20 bankroll anyway. Hope you have a bad day.
OK buddy, I thought I'd pull a "Let's play!" and then not show up but I lost all motivation to pull through.
So no, as I originally said: I don't play lying losers. What would I want with your $20 bankroll anyway. Hope you have a bad day.
This makes no sense. I'm not exactly sure what you're even saying but if you do want to play let me know
Now if you look back at my post I claimed many years ago that the live shuffle machines can also be set up in rigged. And come to find out players are being arrested now for running illegal poker games where they rigged the shuffle machines. The one thing you guys have got to understand is when there's money involved do not ever doubt anybody won't do something to make more money. I don't care if it's regulated not regulated it doesn't matter. Nobody has enough money. Everybody is always trying to make more money and that's just the way of the world. I mean you got NBA guys that will make it $250,000 per game cheating to make an extra 10 or $20,000. It's insane don't ever assume that people aren't willing to do things unethical to make more money
