Combo draw versus a raise
Hand:
$2/$5/$10 straddle NL — $500 eff
MP raises to $35
BTN calls
Hero (BB) calls with Qc9c
Flop ($117): Tc9d8c
Hero Checks → MP c-bets $75 → BTN re-raises to $175, Hero ???
Am I supposed to fold this when the button raises? With a pair + gutter + flush draw I feel like I have enough equity to call?
Suppose I call the BTN re-raise and the turn is a blank, do I fold turn when the button jams?
What do u guys think?
11 Replies
Fold pre
Call floor otf
This flop is good for our range and we’re allowed to donk, and this hand is a good candidate. I assume the 8 was the club? Fold pre.
As played this hand is too strong to fold and knocking out one of these guys will help our equity most of the time. Jam it in.
sorry ur right it was 8 of clubs
I see no reason for anything but shoving. BTN clearly likes his hand, but we can get called by worse (A5cc), get better to fold (JT), deny equity (KJ), and even if we run into a monster we have ok equity.
Worst case scenario, MP has a monster too and we have two monsters like and overflush draw and a set, but even then we are live.
This shallow, pre MIGHT be a call from the straddle, but it's definitely a fold from BB.
As played, you may want to donk flop, if you have a donking range at all.
As played, it's a weird sport, and being 3-way here really sucks.
Both MP and BTN obviously like their hands; you have quite literally 0 fold equity in total, plus there is a pretty high risk that one V has a made hand better than yours, and the other has some draw drastically reducig your outs.
I don't know: GII otf with your hand for 50x effective cannot be that bad, but this is (very) far from fist pumping,
Obviously you cannot call: you will be pot committed anyway.
I see a lot of recommendations to donk but I disagree. Maybe if the board was lower disconnected like 458 and HU, but multiway there's no logic to bluffing into 2 players who can easily have big hands especially on a higher connected flop like this. Seems like the man in the middle has a hand similar to yours but you should still have the most equity overall assuming he doesnt have precisely a set. I hate 3betting flops but someone took our play and we were x/r'ing for value anyway so just take this opportunity to get it in faster instead of a brick turn.
I see a lot of recommendations to donk but I disagree. Maybe if the board was lower disconnected like 458 and HU, but multiway there's no logic to bluffing into 2 players who can easily have big hands especially on a higher connected flop like this. Seems like the man in the middle has a hand similar to yours but you should still have the most equity overall assuming he doesnt
We are blocking a lot of the hands that are going to bet and we don’t want this to check around.
Too much equity to fold flop. Call and fold turn if brick.
Grunch:
PRE - I dunno brother. I hate folding hands like Q9s in the BB getting these odds, but you're so shallow, I think this is just a fold.
That said, I somewhat wonder if it might be an occasional 3B. Probably not, but I might at least think about it, if MP is aggro and BTN over-folds to 3B's. We're in the BB, and in theory our 3B's are supposed to be perceived as very strong.
FLOP - I'm never calling. It's jam or fold. Seems more like a jam to me, but I suffer from self-destructive tendencies post-flop.
all in
you're 50 bb deep with nut blocker, just jam. btn probably has a set or low straight but you're not doing that badly vs that. if you call and hit you might not get paid which sucks, and if its a brick youre committed anyway.
pre should be a 3b or fold this shallow imo.
