When others comment on how tight/nitty you are

If your a nit just a toss a linear 3bet in or two every now and then and show when they fold. If you ever happen to bluff a turn or river in the session - Now is your one time as a NIT to show your cards to the table

You figure the last bet is for half your stack, so 2-100 spread prooooobably plays kiiiiinda similar to 1/2 with 100bb capped stacks?

Yeah, I mostly try to apply 100bb theory in early stages since the biggest effect I notice is that you can't overbet the river in a decent pot so the old "turn overbet, river overbet bluff" line doesn't work as well. Big turn bets set up river pots that you have to bet kinda small. The otherwise huge pots are truncated a bit and slightly more value focused, but 95% of hands don't feature a max bet/raise anyway. I think the theory would get a lot more complex and interesting at 5-100 spread as a 20bb limit would get relevant much more quickly but it's still not quite fixed-limit. I've been trying to branch out and learn fixed-limit at 8-16 to see if I can play higher on that side. Rumor has it they're lobbying to change the $100 to $300 which would potentially open up the "no" limit side.

I am academically curious about playing over the hypothetical 20% open-and-overcall fish range though, didn't mean to entirely derail the thread with discussion of spread limits.

Again, with no experience in the game, I'd expect 5-100 it to play a lot more like 40bb cap that just happens to have some relatively uncommon end-of-tree spots that play a LITTLE like fixed limit. (And there is plenty of 40bb cap theory out there to sink your teeth into). Maybe it's more like 50bb cap because of the extra juice.

It's really not gonna play like a fixed-limit game until it's literally a 50-100 game. There might be some degen, kill-pot, progressive betting variants of fixed limit that approximate 25-100, but for the most part fixed limit is a particular game that isn't gonna handle 8bb+ bet sizes, even if they're relatively small compared to the pot in some middle-late tree spots.

10% 3b IP with some cold calls is a decent starting point. Anything beyond that is paid content.

Have not played any 5-100, and this makes sense in theory but with live players at the table you're almost certain to still get way bigger opens than in 40bb theory (at least the kind of 40bb play I study and see in tournaments), and I do think it's pretty relevant that once you're 40bb committed OTF you're not simply all-in; there's a minimum of another 40bb to call down.

my guess would be if 95% of pots dont feature a max bet / raise you can still be a redline warrior

Sub, while this is correct, anyone who is good enough to play that wide enough of a range already knows it, and they probably ALSO go too far with this theory. I doubt there is a winning live player under 70 in existence whose error is their vpip is too low. What is best for literally every single poster here, myself included, is to rake us over the coals for vpiping too wide at every opportunity. Because we should all tighten up at least a little.

somewhat disagree tbh. i think one of the biggest changes in poker over the last 10-15 years is what constitutes good play is blindly employing equilibrium pseduo-"gto" strategy, to their detriment in alot of places that actually matter (playing vs recs where the bulk / majority / totality of your winrate comes from in most cases). case in point is madrabbit who posts like he has a phd in poker and plays 10 vpip at 1/2 full ring vs the scum of the earth

my counter is more or less you can get away with signif more irl than equilibrium allows for, even vs decent regs. i think people are very good at mimicking simple baseline strategies now and very poor at adjusting them or even necessarily understanding why they exist

again i know this runs opposite to how i post, but there is a large difference between analysis and execution

theres also very little reason to study if you dont play vs good people and the conclusion it leads you to is to hyper nit vs ******s

sadly this post applies to like ~5% of players on here and they will mostly disagree, while the remaining 95% will think its targetted towards them and reinforces their habits :(

re going too far, if my theory re wswf / wswf rating is true, i dont think you can go far enough vpiping in most headsup / in position situations

sub posting like a fish on a heater like he finally got that 2kbb upswing he's been long overdue for

let me be the first to say I love that for you

Anyone who is trying to blindly implement equilibrium strats mostly just sorta suck at poker (notwithstanding a few people who are insanely good at it). Youre saying you can play wider if you know how to explo, and if you know how to explo, youd know how to vpip more as an explo as well.

soon the math will catch up and all of my mixes will revert to folds

im saying if you are playing in games where you have a large tangible skill edge on your opponents, the evs reflected in solved ranges for preflop are probably inaccurate for you. particularly if people behind are too loose / unable to punish, i believe you can take that to an egregiously large degree if you want to without giving up much

there are other stealth benefits to doing this, not the least that no one will ever insult your masculinity across the table by suggesting you are playing an inappropriate number of hands for the social occasion

also uh just about everyone at up to midstakes just tries to memorize the solver lol or have given up entirely

Yep. But anyone in the “if” doesnt need to be told the “then”. Also a lot of winning players probably think they have a large tangible edge when they have what id call a small or medium edge, and their whole WR is almost entirely from their edge pre.

i dunno man. i am unsure that play more hands with fish is revolutionary advice

I dont know what game youre playing but who the **** is overbetting the river 3x pot at midstakes? Or even going 133% on turn blank double barrels? Who is changing their flop bet sizing based on board? Who is range splitting their sizing? Who is 4 betting pre with blockers? Who is check raising and then triple barreling with near zero equity hands? Everyone says they are studying solver, but the reality is only insofar as it fits into the game they already are playing.

i see all of that happen on a regular basis lol

Not entirely following. Is your point that playing wider pre should be a natural extension of study, because if you get good enough at explo then you'll learn how to explo by playing wider pre, and if not, then you won't have the skill edge to actually play wider?

If so, I absolutely agree.

sub is saying you can make -EV solver plays because of the #SkillEdge, Tomark is making pro-nerd arguments, I'm running way ahead of AIEV.

I don't know how it came to be that all of the redlining solver guys are sunrunning at the same time, but at this rate the TINOs will be making "I finally went busto" threads in BBV by the end of fall.

To some degree i dont think you can be a crusher without natural instinct, and i think your natural instinct will tell you to play your btn range from co and your co range from hj or whatever.

I dont see why you need to study ante ranges, in fact saying that is basically counter to your point. You wanna play against people with an edge, so the width of your range should be directly related to the quality of players you are most likely to face postflop, it should be a very dynamic range. I think theres something to be said for knowing how to widen your range, i did correctly get raked over the coals for calling a co range from btn with A9o by you two after all.

fwiw i think i was somewhat wrong about a9o. i played much less nl at that point in time.

the ante ranges was a starting point for him to open his ranges vs recs ip

re a9 you obviously should not play the hand vs remotely reasonable opponents. i think the hand is fine to vpip vs a rec. blv u can 3b it vs just about anyone profitably before it goes to showdown or your frequencies (in the local game) just get absurdly out of control

It's been too long since I've played midstakes live [sad music], but I suspect it's like online where you hit a stake where people finally do {insert solver thing here}, but you realize after 10k hands that it's only like 5 people who do it with reasonable balance and consistency, and they're all probably one CFP in a trench coat. Then you have to wait another like 2+ stakes before doing the solver thing is the actual price of admission.

I highly doubt American 5/T live players are better studied/have better fundamentals than...well frankly people at 25nl lol. If I finally get back in there only to find out 5/T's harder than 100nl, I'm building a time machine and going back and kicking myself in the nuts for cashing out when I did.

(BTW, I don't even know what the argument is at this point. I just like hanging with you guys. This is nice, we should do this more often.)

well theres nowhere to really to move to after 5/10 and maybe 10/20 depending on your area lol. everything now is private

people have gotten better but also much tighter ime

most regs are good and seem to study and large number of them are foreign (relevant because implies skill!). the dream is truly dust for most

I really have a hard time imagining this based on the hands posted here. Honestly, y'all got me thinking my games from 5 years ago were tougher than most games now.

The general rule has been 10x for a long time. So 5-10 live would play about the same as 0.50-1 online. But from what I've seen it depends a _lot_ on what your actual game looks like, esp. the population that can play it etc.

When I first had a look at WPTgold, it felt like someone had given me a time machine and initially a bunch of people were spew calling giant raises pre. and/or 4bet shoving KJo for 100bb etc. But within a couple of months it looked a _lot_ saner, with people 3x open as std. and 3bet ranges were pretty sane.

On the other side the majority who play 2-5 live regularly near me have seen at least some solver output and are at least watching a bunch of HHP or CLP videos every week. And the best 8ish of them are making the 5-10 games run, for anyone stupid enough to sit down.

It often feels like the games mostly feed off the randoms who turn up thinking it's 2005, the guy with way too much money, etc.

Then again, when I've played in philly it felt like it was still 2005 and 100 bills were falling from the sky at 1-2/1-3.

Also from what I've heard from a few pros who coach/etc. who used to play mid stakes online and SCOOPs and would be happy to play 10-25+ live ... are now mostly playing 200bb 2-5 games.