Uber deepstacks vs maniac oop
Ok this is not played live but maybe close enough(fishy/loose callers, aggro opens/3bettors, nonstandard stacksizes/open sizings, 9 handed)
Maybe this is better place than online forums for such hand.
Ok game is 7 handed(usually 9, 2 seats open just now) roughly equivalent of about 100NL(0.5/1$) in asian app with squid game(you lose 33bb or more every 11 hands if you don't win a single hand).
The pool in general are very fishy and aggro at the same time.
Maniac already has a squid
Hero and fish has none.
There are still 7 squids out there.
Effective stacks 1260bb vs maniac
Vs fish 560bb
4 limpers
Hero in bb w/9♣9♠ opens to 28bb(this a gigantic open trying to get HU)
Huge fish in ep calls
Maniac in mp limp/squeezes to
116.5bb???
Hero?? 4bet? fold? call?
3hh I've seen from maniac
Spoiler
hh1
He limp/3bet shipped 55 for 100bb only in utg
hh2
He limped A2o in sb
limped 4~5way pot
flop a46r he x/r 4x vs 1 better 1 caller
turn 7 pots turn
river 5 gives up and check
hh3
he opens/c3b w/QTcc in Mp vs co Vs bb(3bettor)
3wpot 200bb
J22cc 3bettor bets 1/3, he snap raises to 200bb, 3bettor ships for 800bb more, he snap calls.
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Why are you trying to get heads-up when you are super deep with everyone with 99? With stacks this deep, I'm not really going to be happy postflop too much unless I hit my set, so I might raise smaller just as a pot sweetener. (I don't think I would check, though.)
As played, I don't like it but I guess fold. With 99, the maniac would have to be getting out of line a lot with stuff you're way ahead of (not just racing) to compensate for losing to big pairs that he played this way.
Possibly relevant to this hand: what are the buy-in rules? Meaning, if you continue in this hand and you end up losing a lot, how much are you allowed to reload to?
Why are you trying to get heads-up when you are super deep with everyone with 99? With stacks this deep, I'm not really going to be happy postflop too much unless I hit my set, so I might raise smaller just as a pot sweetener. (I don't think I would check, though.)As played, I don't like it but I guess fold. With 99, the maniac would have to be getting out of line a lot with st
There are no max buy in rules but min buyin of 100bb, maniac whole stack is from buyin not from winning.
Yeah maybe opening alot smaller is better.
HU pots are easier to win, winning squids is a huge deal in such game.
I went to my default opening strategy in such game but forgot I was deepstacks. I normally buyin for 300bb then open for around 18-25bb to try to take it down pre or get HU postflop.
I think 99 has great setmining potential with these stacks so my goal isnt to get it HU. However since it seems like you have conditioned this table into playing at 10x the stakes then I'd treat his 3bet as just 'standard sizing' and given the description I'm 4bet jamming. 99+ has enough showdown value against maniacs
Too deep to gamble pre with 99
Spoiler
In game, I ended up calling, I was thinking we might be ahead of villain ranges.
Fish called as well.
Flop K♣6♣2♣
Maniac cbets 2/3 pot, we both fold.
I paid 2 bb to peek at their cards.
Maniac had 77 with no clubs.
Fish had 35o with 1 club.
Overall, like mentioned opening smaller is alot better when this deep.
Maybe folding to 3bet is best.
4betting small might be the best +EV line but not sure how to play when villain calls. Very little fold equity imho. As for 4bet jamming it seems crazy?
Calling the 3bet and not knowing what to do postflop might cost me more money?
10 minutes later, played another hand vs maniac.
maniac in mp opens 7.5bb
sb calls, hero in bb calls
3wpot flop 645r(1diamond) v cbets 2/3, h x/r 4x, v calls
Turn 6d(bdfd) h bets 1/2, v raises 3x, h minclick to 500bb, v flats
river blank 9, hero jams for 2/3 pot (700bb) v folds AQdd bdfd
I kinda just wanna take my chances that they didn't overlimp TT+ and jam. The odds are very good that they have a playable hand that they wanted to play for big implied odds but decided to change gears once the price got bad and they had a big juicy resqueeze opportunity. NGL, I've done it myself in my young and dumb lag days. Clearly they're not opposed to gamble-gambling for 1kbbs with 30% equity type hands.
It might be the one PP we jam with. Higher can 4b smaller, lower can flat. Obviously AKo is another great hand to make this play with, though we do feel very owned when they call and we lose a flip. AKs can go in the smaller 4b bucket with the other higher pairs.
Hope you're rolled for this shit!
I can get behind a 4! here, against a "maniac" 99 is good often enough and if you have the roll behind you to MTS if you lose then it doesn't hurt to let the maniac know you will get it in light. A nit will have AA/KK here, but a maniac isn't going to flat those kind of hands. They are flatting/squeezing low pps, low to mid scs, etc. If he had something premiumish I think this kind of player is always raising.
Calling is tough, because being OOP its hard to have a flop that 99 loves and a maniac isn't a maniac if they aren't betting almost any flow. I think I prefer folding to calling.
IP I'd call all day, OOP I think I do a gutcheck and make it 280 bb. This sizing will reopen the action if fish ships it and maniac calls. If fish ships and maniac flats, I'm rejamming all day. If maniac jams you're playing online you can scream, roll around on the floor, pray to the god you believe in, make a sacrifice to the poker gods and call. I don't think its necessary for us to jam. If we 4! and get flatted, we can lead out any A or K high boards with a reasonable degree of confidence that maniac doesn't have an A or K.
If we're crushed, I suspect its TT-JJ and it is what it is. I think a maniac V is going to have enough 22-88 that plays this way to offset the times we're coolered and I'd be surprised to see QQ+ here.
