1/2: Bottom set in NL bomb facing $400 river bet

Haven’t played a double board like this, only the turn & river, but I’ll take a stab at a solution. Like the flop bet, but think I would have bet the turn also, but that’s neither here nor there because the red flags went off.

If the CO made the river bet, I think it’s a call, but with one opponent firing the turn and the other opponent blasting the river, I think we’re in trouble. It’s unfortunate that we have invested a lot, but I think it’s a fold.

I don’t think you played it poorly, but you’re unlikely likely to scoop and actually I think the button has been calling along with a monster. This is when knowing your villains comes in, because you both checked, he could be aggressively bluffing. But betting a jack risks someone else having a jack, splitting one board and losing the other.

It is a sick spot and a call wouldn’t be a terrible play as you will split often. I can’t really remember a spot where hero is the aggressor on the flop, CO on the turn and button on the river. Sorry, probably not much help, but curious about the outcome and your reasoning.

People say only a few combinations beat me, so I’ve got to continue, but this seems so much like AJ. The old when it looks like a duck

What other hand would villain blast off with? Would villain bet like this with only half pot locked up?

Flop fine, river’s always value.

Anybody want to fold on the turn? Edit: I misread the Ks as being the Kc so now i’m unsure. Could someone have QJ?

Bottom River should be 4d?

River is value, but could you be chopping?

Not expert on holdem double board bomb pots.

The river sizing is kind of gross. I'd feel better if button jammed all in, because that would indicate one board is locked up with something like JJ or Kj, trying to push you off a chop. CO only has $150 behind so he should be calling with almost anything.

On the other hand, is J9o calling the flop with a draw on one board and that draw easily nullified by a spade and possibly to the bad end of one straight with absolutely nothing happening on board 1? That's a pretty terrible call imo.

Then if BTN had AJ or J9, is he just flatting the turn when he can probably iso the CO with some equity on one board and a lot of equity on the other?

If we lose to a scoop, I think we lose to KK, QQ, TT more than straights. Is V value betting those? Maybe. After you both check the river, he has to be fairly confident that neither of you have AJ. The problem is that every hand that beats us on board 2 also beats us on board 1. And any hand that could possibly value bet at all beats us on board 1. So we are calling to chop at best, we're never scooping, and there are a lot of hands that beat us. Ultimately, it comes down to "would he bet this small if he had a hand that only locked up board 1?" I don't think he would bet small with JJ or KJ I think he'd ship it, knowing that he is no good on board 2 most of the time.

So this is a time and place for a disciplined but gross fold. We have to remember that we are getting terrible odds in these double boards where we are pretty much dead on one board. You aren't calling $400 to possibly win $895. You're risking another $400 to win $247. You need 47% equity to make this call and that means you need to be winning board two nearly 95% of the time. Are we winning board 2 95% of the time after this action? No.

As for the flop and turn play, I think you're perfectly reasonable.

You are chopping or losing. Just fold. I'm never betting flop, either. I might just fold the turn knowing I'm good only on one board and could easily be beat on the river, but probably call.

Grunch:

PRE - if it's double-board PLO, play. If it's double-board NLHE, I'd pass if that's an option.

My reasoning is two-card no-limit games suck. With four hole cards you can make more hands on either / both boards. With only two hole cards, it's much harder to have a hammer lock on either board, much less both boards.

FLOP - I don't understand why you'd lead out on these boards with your hand. You don't have either board locked up, and you're betting into 8 uncapped ranges. Just check and see what happens. If you see two or more opponents start shoveling money in, fold. A check-raise would be better than leading out here.

TURN - fold. It's really hard for you to be ahead of both opponents on either board.

RIVER - definitely fold.

I don't play games with double-board NLHE bomb-pots, but I do play in a game with double-board PLO bomb pots. Generally, when you're NOT heads up, I find it's a useful heuristic to only continue when I have at least one board locked up. Heads-up, you can push an opponent out of a pot, but with 2 or more opponents, it's suicide to hang on without the nuts on at least one board.

Here, it's hard to see how you'd be ahead on either board. On the flop, you're behind KK and TT on the bottom, and any 4, 33, or higher PP's on top. On the turn, you're also behind Jx on top, and AJ and J9 on bottom.

The CO whale may be calling too wide on the flop, but the BTN should have something when he over-calls. He should have one of these boards locked up when he calls turn, next to act, with you still in the hand.

I think people tend to bluff less in double-board pots because it's harder to figure out what our bluffs ought to be. Maybe BTN has a hand like A3cc/A3ss that had some potential to make a nutted hand on either board, but he's probably not doing this with 65s or 98s that picked up a BDFD, or QJ that runs into a boat up top and bricks on the bottom.

I mean...you could be chopping, but that's the best you can hope for here. You'll be sick to your stomach if you call and the CO over-calls and you lose on both boards, which seems fairly likely.