Should hero get the money in on the flop in this bomb pot?

definitely not ! You are way too deep and could be flipping on the top and close to dead on the bottom. If you were 250$-max 400$ deep with a 50$ per person bomb pot, then you can put it in, since you probably have the equity. You have way too much behind and the pot is too small.

So what are you doing then, just calling, right?

Gross spot. I probably just fold, neither board is great and lots of bad runouts / bad scenarios.

agree, fold. You do not need to risk your whole stack, which seems to be going in inevitably on the next streets with the dummy boat on top and some very marginal hand on the bottom.

There seem to be at least 2 people going all in. Let us take that scenario.

Some heuristics, a J with 3 "live" cards, has about 40% chance of making a boat, which needless to say beats you. So basically if someone has a J and as little as 1 pair or some SD on the bottom, while the other player NFD on the bottom and for example overpair to your 9, you are probably 5% to win on the bottom and 40% to win on the top, so around 22% combined 3 way, which is much less than the 34% you need.

An optimistic scenario is if both of them have some big hand on the bottom, like one person has 88xy and the other one has NFD + wrap. And none of them have a J. But 3 people bet, raise, raise and the most "obvious" card to have for doing so is a J. In fact, if 2 people have each a J and they are not blocking each other in any significant way, you are less than 20% likely to win the top - the chance that at least one of them boats up is huge.

As I said, in larger bring in bomb pots and if you are shorter, i.e. less than 100bb and with significant money in the middle, then you can go for it, since your 20% - 30% is enough.

Not to mention J9 has you cooked.

Rambling some more. The minimum strength hand i would go all in so deep, based around your 99 starting point would be:

9♦9♠6♣7♣

You have a wrap + a straight flush draw on the bottom, so a bunch of outs that can compensate for losing the top board. Sometimes you scoop and sometimes you get scooped, but you definitely have the necessary equity.

we can put a good bit of money in if it's a hu scenario but multiway our hand becomes pretty bad esp when we're seeing a bet and a raise and a call before we even act. pretty easy fold tbh

Well, when the action comes to me there is €500 in the pot and I have €1000 behind, it's "only" an SPR of two.

Yeah, in hindsight I wish I had 😃

Yes, you're right and in hindsight I agree. This hand came at the end of a 12-hour session of tournaments/cash, and I was a few beers in. My thinking at the time was that I have the third nuts on the first board, it's pretty hard for someone to have JJ, I can get big value from Jxx and I have "something" at least on the second board. So I guess I got a rush of blood to the head and went for it...

Yeah, I can see that now, but at the time and I got caught up in the moment and went for it.

***REVEAL***

Well, I'm afraid I got a rush of blood to the head this hand, and decided that I had enough to go for it and specifically to try and cooler Jxxx, and repotted. I got it in vs the Hijack and the Button for a €2650 pot. The button never showed his hand, but the Hijack did indeed have Jxxx and I got it in very good against him:

with about 67% equity. However, he hit a ten both boards, which was enough to scoop the whole pot.

In hindsight, this was a massive error, even if I did get it in ahead.

Trying to give BB & BU plausible hands, it seems that the multiway factor really cooks you, though tbh after 12hrs & a couple pops I’d’ve gamb00led too, or why else are we playing shorthanded double board bomb pot PLO?

But snap fold-rack up/stand up is definitely huge longterm EV+++£££.

BTW IMO not turning over your hand once all the money’s in is a terrible self-weighting strategy. The risk of misreading your hands and folding a winner is far greater than potentially giving away crucial information to some Jedi at the table who’ll add it to his vast dossier of opponent profiles.

I mean HJ won £1325 with a pair of tens! If button’s been in the room & bar with hero all day & night he easily could’ve overlooked bottom two in frustration over the AcJc missing everything. Phil Ivey did it for a lot more money than this in both the Main Event and a big cash game.

That's awesome, thanks for running the hands through.

Yeah in hindight I realise how cooked I was and what a bad decision this was. Will be taking the "fold-rack up/stand up" approach in future similar spots.

Yep, the numbers back that up. Worth noting that button coldcalling a 3pot for 1/3 his stack is effectively AI.

Shove is honestly not bad based on card removal, though fold is probably normal without a read.

Hero is deep enough to not choose the high-variance line.

But its shove or fold - call is bad. The goal with shove is mostly to get it HU vs one other jack, as the hand will not perform well in a 3w all in.

I could not agree with this more. It's reckless and ignorant.

It drives me crazy watching someone fumbling through their hand, looking at the board, looking at their hand, acting like they might have found a winning hand, then backing off that, and then doing this song and dance one or two more times before they finally end up folding face down. Table your damn hand, the cards play, and you saved us all 2 minutes of our time that we will never get back lol. It is even worse if they do finally see they backed into some weird straight and scoop a 100BB pot when another player clearly thinks they have won the pot at this point.

This is one of the dumbest things someone can do in 4 and 5 card PLO where even a seasoned player can miss something on occasion, and you set up the possibility of a slow roll.

Interesting, glad to hear someone have some support for the shove. Yes, my idea was exactly to try and get stacks in vs Jxxx, as happened in the hand.

Where the hell are you playing where this ever happens? A SF re-draw? I don't know. This is a fold, every time. The guy is even in position to fold. The poker god's are trying to help him. But I guess if you have a straight flush draw? LOL

For completeness sake, in case of future archaeologists: