[2-4]: 3way flop with bizarre action

Pretty low leverage spot on all streets because of their sizings with our absolute hand strength. You're rarely good, but you don't need to be good much. You can tank for tells and fold if you don't get any I guess.

I don't love flop with your range overall nor with this hand specifically, but it's whatever.

I do lowkey wanna talk about the 33 hand more 😃

one of the few times i woudlnt bluff it off w 3 pair, although really bizarre hand given sizings everywhere. i dont have much usefulness to add re this one tbh

i like the 33 hand lol. you can also x back turn and jam river if he checks

Fold flop, these guys just always minraise the nuts.

About the 33 hand, so my extended thoughts were (or at least are, can't say 100% if I thought about everything at the time):

• The LJ has a wider range here and is more capable of folding strong hands. So if the LJ calls, I'm more interested in continuing. I think if I jam for like 120% Pot they're decently likely to fold AQ, likely to fold everything worse.
  
• SB's range is probably skewed heavily toward pocket pairs because that's hands that people like to cold-call 3bets with.
  
• Therefore, on this particular texture where SB has to give me something, I should make a bet to fold out pairs, and it doesn't need to be big
  
• After the opposite happened and SB is the one who called, I wanted to give up since I don't think SB is the type of player to fold 2p+. But, the Ace counterfeits KQ and kinda counterfeits KT/QT as well because now those cards don't have clean outs anymore. So now it seems worth it to bet again, and again the bet doesn't need to be big. I was never thinking about SDV, just about whether I can bluff.
  

Idk if the Turn bet is actually good but I feel like at least the justification is qualitatively accurate.

Preflop, well imo flatting this preflop is not good play, it's just too weak, so fold or 3bet, with fold being the default. But I hadn't tabled any bluffs that session and felt like 3bet bluffing, so I went for it.

I was shocked to see a fold on the River, so idk. Just about the only hand that makes sense to me on all streets is K♣T♣

(Did not look at spoiler hand.) Assume this is a full table? $12 is incredibly small for 2/4 -- that's often the open in my 1/2 game. Was that a pot sweetener?

I probably just fold the flop -- so rarely a bluff. Maybe he has a T, but it's more likely he has a 7. Plus, V2 came along. I guess we can call the small turn bet now that we are here and hope for the best. River sucks because now we feel we have to call, but I still think it's a fold w/o more info on this guy. We lose to T9 and 98 now, in addition to a 7 and a few other hands.

Just read spoiler: doesn't really tell us much, but he was a calling station then and now he's raising/betting, so I'm more inclined to fold flop.

Well basically every hand is 3b or fold here, so you can expand your range plenty without ever truly purely bluffing. [HJ facing a 3x raise with a bunch of fish LTA is probably *right* where it gets close to being a CC candidate, but a) probably not actually and b) only with a slim range.]

And even in spots that are favorable to polarize, I've just fully eliminated bluffs when there are cold calling candidates LTA. Fortunately/unfortunately that describes basically every live table. 3way, low-SPR pot with a cold caller is an extremely common genre of shenanigans in these games and I've already had my fill of being in this spot with KJo/33/85s enough to last me five lifetimes--I'm retiring from it myself, you kids have fun, just don't do it where I can see you, etc.

I don't think it skews too heavily that way. I think suited broadways, very strong offsuit broadways and SCs are plenty represented. Range coverage probably isn't even that bad for players in this spot; their leak is that they have a range to begin with, which is just a donation to our value hands (hence the above).

But in any case, I actually misread your justification for the flop bet, and your justification is totally fine lol. I thought you were betting for protection and to realize w 33, I literally have no idea where I got that from.

Action is good, size is fine, justification is fine.

I have kinda opposite perspective from a lot of people on justifying bluffs, which we can take offline. For our purposes here, I think the biggest redflag for a bluff is that we think they'll fold the bottom of their range.

All of the hands you listed might just call, especially to a smaller bet, and of course villain might just have the hand you're repping or a super nutted draw (though I guess you're kinda hybrid betting vs those).

I’d sigh-call river. Too many missed straights and weak Tx hands in his range.

Actual hand
The cbet size seems a bit too large. Then, facing a raise and a cold call, this becomes a fairly easy fold imo.
As played, turn is whatever: against a bet and a call, you are very rarely good, but the bet is so small that maybe you're good often enough, who knows.
OTR, you hit one of your outs and still don't know what to do facing a ~1/3 pot bet, which kind of confirms that you should have folded on an earlier street (most likely otf).

Hand in spoiler.
Yeah, in theory you should play 3bet or fold pre, unless you are on btn. But at a typical live table, the average squeeze frequency is so low that I don't mind calling.
As played, not sure I would cbet against two players, but if you do it, the size seems correct, and you got one V to fold, so ok.
OTT, V should not fold any KX imo, because now it is significantly less likely that you have AX.

So, postflop you put money into the pot while behind, and didn't get anything more when ahead ...
Now the question is: would you have shoved on a blank river?

Absolutely not. I thought now Villain had an Ace and is never folding. (That's why I said make fun of me for this hand; I "guessed" wrong on all three streets.)

Yeah that's probably the main flaw with the Turn bet. River fold also suggests this is what happened.

Point on the preflop range is also well taken.

About general play, well I definitely have a calling range HJ vs LJ. Much less against players I've tagged as strong but even here I'd probably call some stuff. And vs weak players I'd call most of my continuing range. I think it's fine to play a probably 3way Pot with eg KJo in position.

I did not anticipate the cold call at all. I would say it is not very common in this game; I think most people are a little better (or different, anyway) than your typical 1-3 players in the US.

But it still does happen with, idk, medium frequency, sometimes, and I should def pay more attention to it.

Slightly misled by "bizarre" in title.. is there some reason to believe that this isn't the 7x that it looks like? It's not easy to find bluffs on a paired rainbow board and we don't even beat 98.

I also don't love betting the flop, but agree it's not super relevant to the outcome.

I always open 12, although I do think there is merit to going larger since people defend too wide. Will start experimenting with larger opens at aome point.

As for general sizings, this goes back to my game not being as soft as the 1-2 or 1-3 you're used to, I think. 14 is most common, then either 12 or 16, then probably 20, then 10, then 18.

Reveal:

So I thought this looked very much like trips, but the weirdness factor plus the good price leaned me toward a call.

I took a page out of Zack Elwood's book and asked Villain if he had the straight. The idea is that a bluffing player will never voluntarily eliminate value hands from his range, so if he says no, he's almost certainly strong. If he had answered no, I think I would have folded.

But he didn't say no, he actually didn't respond at all, which I think is one of the weakest responses. So I called. he had Q♣J♣ ¯\_(ツ😉_/¯

Idk if the live tell actually tracked anything or if it was just luck/coincidence.

"Nice hand, you just got unlucky, " you say while screaming inside.

Betting with his overs. LOL.

His hand is so nonsensical I dont think there's any note you can take. Just a spazoid running a random bluff. Probably one of those "i was playing the player not my cards" James Bond style bluff. Just move on and be more value oriented with your stronger hands, isolating etc. JT on a paired board was just a 'meh' spot, there will be better one's.