Multiway Wrap Situation facing two larger stacks

Yeh I guess in theory we should just call and hope Villain 1 comes along, but I'd expect he folds a lot here knowing V2 is nutted and potting with 2.5k eff is very strong.

Call seems better. Bring in V1, also we can fold turn if board pairs.

I like call as well. Possibly bring V1 in and if you are 100% sure V2 has a set, you can fold to a paired turn. Anytime you have a chance to save $430, take it. V2 is pretty much forced to call if you hit and jam turn anyway, so you are getting the same amount from him regardless of how you play it.

Hold up, wait a minute. "Too much" equity. I still have a hangover from partying last night, but I see you at "barely enough" equity at best which is far from "too much" equity. We seem to have V2 clearly with KKxxx but you also have to put V1 on a range. Right? V1 seems to be crushed or sharing outs with you. V1 being crushed is fine, but if you put V1 on an open ended straight draw and therefore sometimes splitting the pot with you, then I don't see this "too much" equity thing you are speaking of.

V1 deserves a range, right? Right? Or is it you guys telling me, "go back to bed you drunktard."

Is a strong, solid player opening middling rundowns from UTG?

I don't know. I actually don't know how any of this went down logically without combo draws in player's ranges in a 4 way singly raised pot on K64 rainbow.

UTG (V1) preflop raised and was called by 2 players in position to V1 and by the big blind. So it is four way to the flop. An ugly flop of K64 rainbow. How is that ugly flop getting c-bet by V1 out of position to two players and raised by V2? Ranges? That is a crazy re-raise by V2 if V2 doesn't have KKxxx or a monster wrap. Remember the board is rainbow. All of this is going down without frontdoor flush draws. This action in a 4 way singly raised pot is happening on K64 rainbow. That sounds like sets, two pairs and straight draws with it likely being combo draws. And combo draws mean straight draws which mean sharing straight draws with Hero.

I guess set over set is possible for V1 and V2. But to go back to a version of your question, does UTG cbet middle o bottom set when that set is 66 or 44 in a singly raised pot four way?

EDIT: now I think your question "opening" meant preflop, but I took it to mean cbetting, my bad if you meant preflop but if you meant preflop this is 5 card PLO with lots of strange combinations played by players preflop. 5 card is a game of straights and nut flushes.

Yes, preflop. All I'm saying is that V1's range probably doesn't his this board unless he's the one with KK, and, according to OP, V2 has KK. I guess V1 could have AA57X or similar, but I highly doubt he re-pops it given descriptions, unless he is recklessly aggressive. OP?

Postflop:

Agreed that V1 could actually be the player with the KKxxx. But that would mean that V2 likely has a monster straight draw because that would be kind of crazy for V2 to re-raise with middle or bottom set four way.

It seems eith V1 or V2 has the current nuts of a set of kings. But what is the range of the other villain. In my original post I said V could definitely be getting crushed here. But does either the range of V1 or V2 end up being shared with Hero? And also no matter what, the flop went Hero check, V1 bet, V2 raise and it now back to Hero.

OP said, "I have too much equity to fold."

I'm questioning that statement more than anything else given the four players in a singly raised pot on K64 rainbow at 5 card no less.

Which ties into what you wrote, "I guess V1 could have AA57X or similar, but I highly doubt he re-pops it given descriptions, unless he is recklessly aggressive." That has V1 not re-popping the flop action, but it again means Hero's equity is less because he is sharing the straight draw.

OP said, "I have too much equity to fold."

I'm shaking my drunk head at that statement. I see it as, Hero might have barely enough equity to call. And calling is by Hero is fine, but so is folding.

According to OP, V2 is not raising here w/ anything but KK. Maybe it's KK57X...

I still think I make the call given OP's reads.

Yes. Everyone that posted replied to OP's original question of, "is it a call or raise?" by saying it is a call. No one is suggesting a raise on the flop by Hero. I just threw it out there in the spirit of Halloween and everything scary that maybe the OP should be afraid of even calling. Hero's equity is no where near as strong as OP thinks.

It was more like if I have 44%+ equity, I can blindly stick it in and be profitable. Which you think is optimistic due to sharing outs. If both players have sets, then if I'm sharing outs with V1 does it makes sense to force him out? It seems like basically never there's going to be a situation where folding out any equity he has with straight draws/backdoor equity is useful.

V1 c-bet into 3 players. That is either strong or fool hardy. The cbetting frequency four handed out of position on most board types is like 10% here would be my guess. And many skilled players would instead use a check-raise strategy. So whatever, V1 took a shot at it on the flop. Villain V2 said that they have the nuts by their raise and by your read.

Hero's equity is about 35% if V1 and V2 have sets.

So that means Hero's equity is less if V1 and/or V2 are sharing hero's straight draws.

This is my point about your "I have to much equity to fold" comment. You are at best barely having enough equity to call and could be doing a lot worse.

Edit: OP to your question about being able to force out V1, I don't like the chances of forcing out a preflop raiser who then on the flop c-bets against three other players (out of position to two of them!).

It's a bit closer than 35% in five card? If I have more chips, it's an easy call. If I have fewer, jam it in in case they have some weird two pairs to avoid folding for nothing when board pairs. It seems like an odd spot because of my stack size. I dunno, this seems closer than people are saying. But since it's so close whatever just do standard and call and reduce variance if EV's are so close. I'm thinking of a case like if V1 has 6675 or backdoor suits or something. Hit the straight at the same time or a straight comes in and he has a backdoor flush draw. I guess that's still better for us in any of those cases calling. Overthinking this then.

I spit balled your best equity at about 35% and it was a tad under 39%. And that is the best case scenario. Now do us a favor and repost this equity run giving either one of the players the cards 7 and 5 to go with their set. And show us your equity three handed.

And in my original post I said V1 might be getting crush. But, you are making a very huge wish that V1 is going to bet-fold in 5 card on the flop. That is a line I don't see when players can just check multiway instead.

^^^ original post

a few comments:

this hand looks sexy but doesn't like to be played oop versus 4 players. your draws are often too low.
looks nitty, but I don't like the call. either 3b or fold

As played:
like mentioned, 35% equity is the BEST scenario. if V1 has set and V2 is adding some straight draws, you are cooked.
I don't pushing 85BBs in this spot oop

This hand is very easy , you are not invested almost anything on the flop and clearly you're behind , so just fold and next hand .

Fold flop. Hero doesn't always have enough raw equity, plus is OOP.

Hand is also relatively face-up after you call so implied odds when you hit straight seem low.