The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

But that's why I should be taken serious. Cuz I'm not a losing player that complains. When I emailed all the sites they always come back and say the same thing you're winning so I don't understand what you're complaining about. I want a randomly dealt game whatever the results are going to be that's what they're going to be.

Does that mean you take players who win even more (or are in fact pro) even more serious?
In case of yes.

Hi 😀 the rng is random

there is 99% chance you just misunderstood the guy from gaming associates or only heard what you wanted to hear.

I might just ask them I work with them on the daily actually.

Scams in this industry are very common. I am only aware of one incident in which the actual pay out percentages of a game were wrong.

It was a interesting case actually: https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/thr...

Then there was the topgame scandal. Its really hard to find reliable info about that these days but in essence there were accusation of them manipulating the hit rate of a jackpot or that they made it impossible to hit it.

Both of the incidents were caused on game provider not operator end.

An operator will just run away with your money if they want to screw you.

I don't think you have ever proved you're a winning player, have you? Maybe you'll tell us some of your SNs of a few of your sites? We'd know to steer clear of your tables. 😉

Look, I know you say you don't care what we think about you or your posts, as we're internet strangers. People who know you in RL know what sort of person you are. But why do you want us to know you in the same way? If you made some, even the occasional, valuable, positive posts, instead of constantly berating the sites, the players, and the people here, then perhaps we'd find some interest in your being around as someone to respect and take advice from.

Please try it for a few months.

Mike......We all know you are a 23 year loser here.....

What are you going to get from my screen names? I play cash games only. I've played a few mtts over the last few years but nothing even worthy of a sample size. So I don't know what type of information you're going to get from cash games. If you go back somewhere in this thread I posted a graph probably 2 years ago. I emailed My graph to a guy, which I forget what his name was but he actually posted my graph online at ignition poker at the time. What showed a very good win rate. But I don't really play any mtts or anything like that so I don't know where you're going to get any information for my screen name

For example I emailed the guy from phenom poker and they said there's different levels of certification that you can qualify for. According to them phenom poker has qualified for the top level of certification. But also according to them there are different levels that sites could get. So I would say well if there's different levels of certification my guess would be club WPT and ignition have qualified for the lowest level possible. Now does that make it rigged? Probably not is it just s***** software? Yes probably. It's just s***** software that just doesn't deal cards well so you will eventually come across a scenario where you go yes the odds won't add up here. Back in the day I used to use a tracker on ignition and I used to win with my bigger hands way less often on ignition than any other site. So like aces kings queens jack stands Ace King suited East Queen suited all the percentage of the time that I used to win was less on ignition than every other site. So for example say on every site I would win 84% of the time with aces on ignition that number would be 80% and it would be the same right down the line. Now does that mean it's rigged? No probably not rig just s***** software. They probably have the lowest level certification so ridiculous things are going to happen at a site that doesn't care about actual poker so take that for what you will but you can email the people at phenom poker and ask him that question

"Every site I know has a non-random deal except for the site I play, they're cool"

So yungnit works for Phenom and his job description is: "Make all the other sites look bad!"

I knew you were just another worthless shill....

You missed this interesting question jungmit. We must seem to take you serious you say, but maybe there are people out there who should be taken even more serious 😉

The main problem is people of brainwashed. So winning players probably subscribe to some type of training site. And they all tell you the same thing don't focus on the bad beats, don't focus on if a site's rigged, just focus on playing your best. So back in the day when ACR allowed a lot of bots I'm playing with the guy and I said hey dude we're playing with a bot. He said how do you know and I said watch this is what he's going to do so for example they used to allow straddles back then and I said don't straddle and watch what he does. So he bet full pot. I then okay say now put the straddle on and watch what happens. It doesn't raise full pockets it gets tricked by the amount. He couldn't believe it that I figured that out. And I go how do you not figure that out. See this is the problem I still talk to people today where they say dude don't concentrate on that just when I'm like exactly you're just trained to go along with there's no way any site could manipulate it and everything has to be honest. It's like politics everybody just goes along and saying well the politicians are there to do the best for us. It's all bs. Ain't no politician no we're doing the best for anybody except for him and his family. So most people are not going to try to pick out situations they're just going to say well I'm winning so I just have to focus on doing what I have to do. Which is fine I'm just telling you if those people that were winning 15 big blinds per 100 hands actually decided to maybe try to see if they could spot something I bet you most of them would. But they would still say well it doesn't actually matter because as long as I'm doing the right thing and I can win 15 big blinds for 100 hands that's what I'm going to focus on. Most people don't want to focus on trying to figure out if a site is not random. Most people don't want to research politics to see how bad you're actually getting shafted by the people you elected. Most people don't want to research taxes to figure out the way to pay the least amount of taxes. Most people don't want to research investments to figure out the best way to invest money they just want to go to work come home and live their life. Most people if you sat at a table and showed him a patent they still wouldn't care and they were just go on doing what they were doing

Lol as if u would be able to spot anything other than the deposit button Jungmit.

Deposit where. in my life most of my deposits I've ever made on most sites for $50 and under. For 22 years I would deposit $50 and under on a site and just play continuously withdrawing. Take club WPT I've taken about six withdrawals and I've never put $1 on the site. I started with the free quarter they used to give you every day until I built enough money to play and then I ran it up from there. But what difference does it make you guys are going to believe what you want to believe anyway. I challenge the guy here he said he wanted to play me I said let's go to phenom poker we can play mixed games and then he decided oh he didn't want to take my money. So whatever you guys can believe whatever you want

yeah the dude with phenom poker was weird that being said you are the one with outlandish believes without any merit or evidence to support it.

You obviously have very little knowledge on the gambling industry and how things work.

Its incredibly funny that you are the one who says: "you guys believe what we want."

Its funny how you "answer" a simple yes or no question with this:

Which is in insane wall of text, but somehow you've managed to totally avoid the actual question.
So maybe you can try again.
You say we need to take to serious because you are not a sore loser.
So winning in poker means that person has to be taken serious.
So I ask again:

Does that mean we should take players who win even more (or are in fact pro for 15+ years) even more serious?

Would an opinion of someone like Phil Galfond hold more value than yours? Just like you claim your opinion has more value than complaining net losers like Johnmir, thewaddy & amazing.

Oh no I'm definitely a sore loser. I said overall I am not a losing player. But yes if you could get Phil galfond off the record and see what he says that could be good

Good that you admit you are a sore loser.

Oh and Galfond thinks you are not ready to be a winner and sites would be fools to temper with the rng 😉

But people like you make it clear that they are not risking the golden goose as your demands require they not just be cheaters but stupid cheaters as well. So why the lie of pretending they are risking anything? What risk do you hold using your standards they are taking if they simply fix one hand in ten while letting the others play honestly? If they create 10 cooler hands and let the mark win 30% while the cheat wins 70%? Look how many hands it took for a true super user to get caught and realize if they learned the lesson that rather than being right all the time you only need to be right 70% of the time to print money you can't catch him absent one of the cheats telling.

And this is the exact reason why you guys won't consider it. Because they brainwash you to think that if you believe in this that you can't be a winner. It's just like politicians brainwashing you to think they're working best for you. And pharmaceutical companies brainwashing you to think that medication cure something. If you think outside the box are different you'll look at as very strange. He has a vested interest in saying poker sites are not rigged because he runs a poker training site. I'm not saying he's wrong, and once again I'm not saying it's rigged. You could just have a site who just has bad software. As I've said before there's different levels of certification that you can get some sites probably don't have the top level of certification so they random generated just stinks. It's probably not something they're doing they just don't care about making poker the best that it can be on their site.

When rigturds try to understand basic poker math and fail horribly...

You should really quit the drugs...

But super users have been caught , just like colliders and bots etc etc
How do you explain that in those billions and billions of hands dealt we have seen all of those things proven.
Yet we have never seen a non-random (or rigged) RNG ?

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Phil Galfond says poker sites would be idiots to rig their rng & people complaining about it arent ready to be winners
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Life must be easy if everyone who disagrees with you is just brainwashed

Oh and thinking outside the box is fine. But once you are ready to make certain claims you better have some evidence on your side. At this point you have 0.0%.
Although you did admit once you had evidence on your hard drive... but it got wiped out. Thats some bad luck man :p

Do you understand how RNGs work? The RNG doesn't know how to play poker. It doesn't know that the numbers it's generating correspond to certain cards. It just spits out numbers. It has no idea that it's completing a flush or pairing the board or whatever. It's certainly possible for an RNG to be less than truly random, but there's absolutely no way that would correspond to action flops, or more flushes. The real result of a shoddy RNG would be repeated hands. Say an RNG creates a sequence based on a simple input, like how many milliseconds past the hour it is. So you might see the exact hands repeated if they're generated exactly one hour apart.

At least claims of intentional rigging are theoretically possible, just unsupported. Claims that a shoddy RNG produces the appearance of rigging aren't.

What site(s), in your opinion, do not have "crappy software"?

You're a strange card, jungmit.

Why do you spend so much time in the riggies' thread, or elsewhere in accusing sites of rigging their games? And what makes you think the certified RNGs are not producing random numbers when you have no evidence of any kind?