Diamond in a Day - CET Total Rewards
Is it still possible to get Diamond in a Day?
I have read about it in the past, just curious.
Update - 7 star unlocked
What's the cheapest way to hit 200 TCs in 24 hours in Vegas?
I'm about 200 shy of platinum. Platinum isn't worth much to me, but I can use the free night in January.
Pretty easy to get 200 - about any table game for a couple hours would prob do it. $1000 of slot play, $2000 of vp.
10X in Jan and 5X in Feb in LV, 2026
1/12 to 1/18 = 10X
2/2 to 2/5 = 5X
Did the 10x this past January. Easiest way to crush status.
Thanks guys. I was able to slip under the wire. Played a 2.5 hour 1/3 session at Horseshoe and racked up a whopping +$14. That got me roughly 50 TCs.
Then, with the clock ticking, I hit the VP machines. First tried $1 JOB in Paris. I put $200 in, ran poorly, and lost about $75. I had only gained about 25 TCs. I swear the machine was 8/5 when I sat down, but the full house payout dropped to 6 at some point. Is that a thing? Do they bait-and-switch odds? Once I noticed the horrendous odds, I cashed out.
The math was looking bad for me at this point. I still needed about 125 TCs and the ROI on my VP sessions did not seem to justify the effort. Some instinct (degeneracy?) told me to try again when I got back to Harrah's. I played a short break-even session at $2 per spin to get another 25 TCs. That was better, but I was getting low on time. I decided to gamble and loaded $200 into a different machine to play $5 per hand. Luckily the rungood came home. I hit quad queens twice and ran it up to $350 before cashing out at $275 with 100 TCs in my pocket.
Between the poker and VP, I ended up getting what I needed without really spending anything. I actually finished slightly up.
Is 9/6 JOB a thing in Vegas? I scoured some machines and could not find it on a CET property. Many were 7/5. I was able to find some 8/5 at least.
At any rate, I learned a few things from this experience.
- As you guys said, TC multiplier days are the key. I was in Reno during a 10x in March. I got about 2k TCs from messing around on low stakes VP. That's the only reason I was even within shouting distance of platinum this year. All my other gambling activities are basically worthless in terms of generating TCs. If I could do it all over, I would've put more effort into the 10x sessions. I was coming down with a bad illness at the time and it was hard to understand how many TCs the sessions were generating because the multiplier does not hit immediately. It did not seem as worthwhile in the moment as it was.
- That being said, if you are a decent poker player, poker might be the best game to play for TCs. I was pleasantly surprised by the rate at the Horseshoe 1/3 game. I think sitting in this game is more profitable for me than playing any form of VP. The issue is that you'd have to log a high number of hours to hit diamond or even platinum. It can be done much faster through the machines if you are in a time crunch.
Thanks guys. I was able to slip under the wire. Played a 2.5 hour 1/3 session at Horseshoe and racked up a whopping +$14. That got me roughly 50 TCs.Then, with the clock ticking, I hit the VP machines. First tried $1 JOB in Paris. I put $200 in, ran poorly, and lost about $75. I had only gained about 25 TCs. I swear the machine was 8/5 when I sat down, but the full house payout
9/6 JoB is hard to find on the Strip. I don't think any CET properties have it except at -very- high denominations. Venetian/Palazzo still have it at the $1 level.
Thanks guys. I was able to slip under the wire. Played a 2.5 hour 1/3 session at Horseshoe and racked up a whopping +$14. That got me roughly 50 TCs.Then, with the clock ticking, I hit the VP machines. First tried $1 JOB in Paris. I put $200 in, ran poorly, and lost about $75. I had only gained about 25 TCs. I swear the machine was 8/5 when I sat down, but the full house payout
SOME machines have a different pay table for $1 denomination compared to .25. Always double-check. Like rickroll said, also ALWAYS put in max coins (usually 5) because a Royal has a big multiplier with max coins.
The math was looking bad for me at this point. I still needed about 125 TCs and the ROI on my VP sessions did not seem to justify the effort. Some instinct (degeneracy?) told me to try again when I got back to Harrah's. I played a short break-even session at $2 per spin to get another 25 TCs. That was better, but I was getting low on time. I decided to gamble and loaded $200 into a different machine to play $5 per hand. Luckily the rungood came home. I hit quad queens twice and ran it up to $350 before cashing out at $275 with 100 TCs in my pocket.
Between the poker and VP, I ended up getting what I needed without really spending anything. I actually finished slightly up.
Good job!
Is 9/6 JOB a thing in Vegas? I scoured some machines and could not find it on a CET property. Many were 7/5. I was able to find some 8/5 at least.
I've seen it in Horseshoe high limit slots, but you only get 1 tc/$25. That's just raping. If you really want to play vp for the sake of vp, forget the Strip and do Orleans, South Point, or Red Rock. Red Rock is a very nice place, it's just a few miles down the road.
At any rate, I learned a few things from this experience.
- As you guys said, TC multiplier days are the key. I was in Reno during a 10x in March. I got about 2k TCs from messing around on low stakes VP. That's the only reason I was even within shouting distance of platinum this year. All my other gambling activities are basically worthless in terms of generating TCs. If I could do it all over, I would've put more effort into the 10x sessions. I was coming down with a bad illness at the time and it was hard to understand how many TCs the sessions were generating because the multiplier does not hit immediately. It did not seem as worthwhile in the moment as it was.
- That being said, if you are a decent poker player, poker might be the best game to play for TCs. I was pleasantly surprised by the rate at the Horseshoe 1/3 game. I think sitting in this game is more profitable for me than playing any form of VP. The issue is that you'd have to log a high number of hours to hit diamond or even platinum. It can be done much faster through the machines if you are in a time crunch.
The 2/3 or higher pays double tc's, as do all the Caesar's games. But you really can't get the big daily bonuses with poker, it's easy now with vp because of the multiple hands per push.
One of these days Big Whale is going to figure out to schedule his trips during a multiplier promo. :-) He plays more than me in a year. I might visit a couple times more a year, but I play very little compared to him. I just do it at the right times to make sure I get Diamond. He would save a lot not having to pay resort fees, and the other little perqs are nice too.
edit: Instead of $5 denomination it's better to play 5 hands at a time. More chances to hit something.
The 6/5 might have been if you dropped to $0.25 but I suspect you switched the game to Bonus poker. IIRC $1 Bonus poker at Paris, and most Caesars properties on strip, is 6/5. The machines default to some game if it sits idle for few minutes. If you took a short break that may have happened.
Played a fair bit of vp at Paris. Iirc they have some 9/6 JOB in the high limit area at $5. BUT playing one coin 9/6 JOB is SLIGHTLY better EV than 5 coin 8/5. So if you wish to go to $5 per hand, playing one coin $5 at 9/6 is slightly than five coin at $1 8/5. And your actual results are less dependent o the ultra rare royal.
As to always playing the max coin. Definitely saves time. Also does have better EV. If you are talking about 200k hands vs a million, yes do max coin. But for a few thousand vs several hundred, the math says you should g3nerally run closer to the EV the more hands you play.
There is a rule of thumb, the highest return in casino against the house is bet all you are willing to lose in a single bet. The more bets you make the closer to EV you will come. Since the best house game EV is losing, your best play is one big bet gives you best chance of winning.
You will see higher variation of results playing max coin due to fewer hands. And if you don’t hit a royal, which is obviously rare, your EV drops by over 1%.
The 6/5 might have been if you dropped to $0.25 but I suspect you switched the game to Bonus poker. IIRC $1 Bonus poker at Paris, and most Caesars properties on strip, is 6/5. The machines default to some game if it sits idle for few minutes. If you took a short break that may have happened.Played a fair bit of vp at Paris. Iirc they have some 9/6 JOB in the high limit area at
Playing one coin at 9/6 is definitely not higher EV than five coins at 8/5. Playing only one coins reduces the payback of most machines by almost 2% due to the much lower payouts on royal flushes.
Playing one coin at 9/6 is definitely not higher EV than five coins at 8/5. Playing only one coins reduces the payback of most machines by almost 2% due to the much lower payouts on royal flushes.
9/6 @ 5 coin = 99.54%
9/6 @ 1 coin = 98.37%
8/5 @ 5 coin= 97.3%
While almost 2% (1.98% actually) of return comes from hitting royal with 5 coin, you are ignoring you still get some of this 2% at one coin (1250 v 4000). return from royal at 1 coin is 0.48%.
The breakeven is almost exact at 8/6 @ 5 coin = 98.39% but I haven’t seen any 8/6 single play at $1 on strip. Maybe they exist but I don’t know where.
9/6 @ 5 coin = 99.54%9/6 @ 1 coin = 98.37%8/5 @ 5 coin= 97.3%While almost 2% (1.98% actually) of return comes from hitting royal with 5 coin, you are ignoring you still get some of this 2% at one coin (1250 v 4000). return from royal at 1 coin is 0.48%.The breakeven is almost exact at 8/6 @ 5 coin = 98.39% but I haven’t seen any 8/6 single play at $1 on strip. Maybe they exist
Oh yeah, you’re right…if you’re actually talking about 8/5 JoB, the payback for that is pretty dreadful. I think I was maybe thinking of 8/5 BP. You probably shouldn’t play 8/5 JoB for TC really ever, especially since you can find 9/5 JoB at different denominations at several CET properties.
Oh yeah, you’re right…if you’re actually talking about 8/5 JoB, the payback for that is pretty dreadful. I think I was maybe thinking of 8/5 BP. You probably shouldn’t play 8/5 JoB for TC really ever, especially since you can find 9/5 JoB at different denominations at several CET properties.
Even at 9/5 it’s an effective wash. 9/5 JOB @ 5 coin is 98.45%. Vs the 98.37% for 9/6 1 coin for $5000 coin in you are talking $4 difference in EV. Playing 5000 hands vs playing 1000 hands, the reduction in tail risk might be worth it. Though you do also give up the upside tail. But for someone concerned about spending too much to achieve diamond, the risk of too much spend weighs heavier than the concern they missed out on a big win.
FWIW, the only 9/6 JoB at a CET property that shows up on vpfree is at Caesars, but it’s minimum $25/hand and only pays 1 TC/$25.
Keep in mind too that those percentages are if you are playing GREAT video poker. I can’t speak for everyone but I know personally, I don’t always make optimal decisions at video poker. I’d recommend practicing on one of the free video poker apps on your phone.
Keep in mind too that those percentages are if you are playing GREAT video poker. I can’t speak for everyone but I know personally, I don’t always make optimal decisions at video poker. I’d recommend practicing on one of the free video poker apps on your phone.
it's not hard to be 99.9 percent correct in decision making. and you can always double check on your phone. Sure some bizarre situations might come up every thousand hands where you're giving up 2 cents in ev on a 5 dollar spin but it's not worth worrying about when you're playing a few thousand hands.
it's not hard to be 99.9 percent correct in decision making. and you can always double check on your phone. Sure some bizarre situations might come up every thousand hands where you're giving up 2 cents in ev on a 5 dollar spin but it's not worth worrying about when you're playing a few thousand hands.
Yeah, once you've played for a while it's not hard to know almost all of the strategy by muscle memory. I play at least 600 hands an hour and maybe check my phone for the strategy once an hour. What you need to be careful of is not strategy mistakes but misclicks...especially since many of the best-paying machines are quite old and the buttons can be sticky.
Even at 9/5 it’s an effective wash. 9/5 JOB @ 5 coin is 98.45%. Vs the 98.37% for 9/6 1 coin for $5000 coin in you are talking $4 difference in EV. Playing 5000 hands vs playing 1000 hands, the reduction in tail risk might be worth it. Though you do also give up the upside tail. But for someone concerned about spending too much to achieve diamond, the risk of too much spend wei
If you try to make DIAD one coin at a time, not only will you not make it, you'll want to shoot yourself at the end. Assuming you can still lift a gun after pushing buttons all day.
If you try to make DIAD one coin at a time, not only will you not make it, you'll want to shoot yourself at the end. Assuming you can still lift a gun after pushing buttons all day.
You realize that 5 coin $1/coin and 1 coin $5/coin, assuming same $/TC, take exactly the same number of spins
We also started this with talkne about someone trying to finish the last little bit
I have a couple of questions about the 10x week in Vegas next year:
- If I elect to go for VP, will it be clear if a given game is $10 coin-in per TC or do I have to figure it out myself?
- Is there a chance it will be so crowded (say, if I elect to play multi-line in a high limit room) that I won't have the chance to play?
- If I try this, I'm thinking of 3/5 line TDB at Flamingo...is the info on vpfree2 up-to-date?
- What is a reasonable amount of money to take? (I'm assuming not $15k)
I have a couple of questions about the 10x week in Vegas next year:- If I elect to go for VP, will it be clear if a given game is $10 coin-in per TC or do I have to figure it out myself?- Is there a chance it will be so crowded (say, if I elect to play multi-line in a high limit room) that I won't have the chance to play?- If I try this, I'm thinking of 3/5 line TDB at Flamingo
In order:
Yes. When you put your card in it says on the little machine next to it number of tier credits earned and counts down to next tier credit. On a slot this is always 0500. On a VP machine it's either 1000 or 2500 if playing 9/6 JOB at Caesars (dont do that). As long as it says 1000 then you're good.
It wasn't last year when I did it and I was there for 6am at the start of the first day. High Limit Room at Paris was half empty.
Can't answer this, never played at Flamingo.
I took $2k and never felt like I was short. In fact, this is how it went. I was playing mostly 3 line spin poker 25c 9/5 JOB ($3.75 a spin) other than the last few hands when I went max bet ($11.25 a spin) to get it finished and because I was break even.
[20/01, 06:35] First 100 credits took 32 minutes and I got one quad. Currently up $31.25
[20/01, 06:58] Second 100 credits took 23 minutes and I am down $112.50. No quads. 1 dealt full house.
[20/01, 07:24] Third 100 credits took 25 minutes. Down $135. 2 quads and this sick hand sigh.
[20/01, 07:48] 4th 100 credits took 23 mins, 3 quads, down $261.25
[20/01, 08:16] 5th 100 credits took 27 mins, 2 quads, down $351.25
[20/01, 08:38] 6th 100 credits took 20 mins, 3 quads, down $356.25
[20/01, 09:05] Halfway there. 26 minutes, 4 quads, down $417.50
[20/01, 09:31] 8th 100 credits took 25 mins, 1 quad, down $501.25.
[20/01, 09:59] 9th 100 credits took 28 minutes, 1 quad and 1 amazing royal. Up $366.25.
[20/01, 10:30] 10th 100 credits took 30 minutes, 2 quads, up $313.75
[20/01, 10:55] 11th 100 credits took 24 minutes, 2 quads, up $235
[20/01, 11:18] 12th 100 credits took 22 minutes, 1 quad, up $73.75
[20/01, 11:42] 13th 100 credits took 23 mins, 1 quad, down $7.50
[20/01, 11:56] Last 100 credits took 13 minutes cos I played 9 lines at $11.25 a hand. Ran very well with 3 straight flush lines and a couple of quads. Final tally is up $253.75.
Took 6hrs and most I was down was about $550. Don't forget its only 1,400 credits if you do it in a day. But you won't get Diamond until a couple of weeks after as it takes them that long to add the bonus credits.
