The Ace-rag hand 4 8 BB
typical 4/8 game. 4-5 limps to me in the BB with A8o. I check my option.
Flop comes something like A74r. I check, check, bet, call, fold, I CR. Call, call fold. About 5 BB.
Turn is a J full rainbow. I check, check, check.
River is a K, I think for second and decide to bet for value.
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Why didn't you bet for value on the turn?
Why in god’s green earth did you check the turn?
Why in god’s green earth did you check the turn?
i think you need to walk us through your thought process. your play reeks of passive fish check/call syndrome.
As usual you guys are so nice.
Thought process- at 4/8 people will limp all time with At+ as well as A-rag so when I have A-rag from the blinds with alot of limpers, and hit the flop Ace I check the flop to see if anybody bets and then CR for a cheap showdown unless the board comes favorable. If nobody bets I will lead the turn. Since there was a flop bet here I was in no way wild about my middling kicker so planned to c/c down a turn bet. With less limpers and my Ace blocker I probably lead the turn. But since there were 4-5 limpers and Ax is a 4/8 favorite somebody else has an ace most likely.
When there was no turn bet I figured maybe one the guys had a very weak ace or something like K7 or 99 and figured I had about a 50/50 chance the other guy had an ace but with a worse kicker, so thought I was going for thin value if one or both called.
Happy to be corrected in my thinking, but this is 4/8 where most regs and recs will limp AK 'because I never win with it'
the only way your play makes sense is if you were planning to check/fold the turn. i highly doubt you were planning to do that though - im guessing you were planning to c/c down, thus ensuring you lose the max when beat and win the minimum when ahead. when you check the turn no worse hands bet and you just give everyone a free card. if youre scared youre beat just bet the turn and fold to a raise.
in general you should very rarely if ever check the turn with top pair if you took the betting lead on the flop. maybe against some opponents on very bad cards but nobody like that plays 4/8.
I took a fresh look at this hand this morning-bottom line is I felt I had a 50/50 chance of winning the hand-so betting the turn with 2 other players in is +ev. Simple as that. I need keep things simple more often.
Once a session I’ll bet my paired ace on every street and get shown AK/AQ by an opponent. That’s a good thing.
Once a session I’ll bet my top pair good kicker on every street and find out I’m in third place.
If you only bet when you’re sure your hand is best, then you’re too passive. And that’s how most 4/8 players play.
Fold
First Off, I just googled the Odds of someone else having an Ace at an 9 handed holdem table, google says there is less then a 5% that another player holds an ace? (3.14% to be exact) is this correct? I always thought you fold weak non suited aces for fear of domination? But if google is right should we be raising ANY ace for value?
First Off, I just googled the Odds of someone else having an Ace at an 9 handed holdem table, google says there is less then a 5% that another player holds an ace? (3.14% to be exact) is this correct? I always thought you fold weak non suited aces for fear of domination? But if google is right should we be raising ANY ace for value?
That does not seem correct. According to a quick search-The Poker Bank is my source-
8 handed there is a 78% chance one player is dealt an Ace. if you hold an ace, there is 64% chance another player holds an ace as well(wow did not know if was that high)
You also posted awhile ago about the low probability of a flopped flush-this was correct, but what you did not look at was the probability of a flopped flush after a monotone flop. The probability obviously goes WAY up here.
Ace rag is not much of an advantage. You’re basically flipping with an edge against any two cards between the side card and the ace, losing to pairs above your side card, getting crushed by better aces, have horrible equity realization, plays horrible multiway, and just lots of reasons why weak aces are trash.
Yea, I thought that was wrong. Otherwise instead of folding Ace Rag off suit it would be a raise! I actually did search a mono-tone flop with the flush, I was amazed the chance was that low? if thats correct...I've been playing those spots way wrong.
8 handed there is a 78% chance one player is dealt an Ace. if you hold an ace, there is 64% chance another player holds an ace as well(wow did not know if was that high)
Eh, close but not exact. 8 handed there is a 78% chance at least one player has an ace. The calculation is basically 1 - the chances of nobody getting dealt an ace. Same with the 64%. But both numbers are accurate.
This is basic probability, should probably learn why the odds are what they are instead of taking the search engine shortcut. Would open your eyes to some new things.
8 handed there is a 78% chance one player is dealt an Ace. if you hold an ace, there is 64% chance another player holds an ace as well(wow did not know if was that high)
Eh, close but not exact. 8 handed there is a 78% chance at least one player has an ace. The calculation is basically 1 - the chances of nobody getting dealt an ace. Same with the 64%. But both numbers are a
I have no idea what you are saying here. Knowing exact odds vs approximate is a great intellectual exercise for my college classes in math and probability. But thanks for the lesson.
This is basic probability, should probably learn why the odds are what they are instead of taking the search engine shortcut. Would open your eyes to some new things.[/QUOTE]
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST CURIOUS....WHAT NEW THINGS WOULD HIS EYES SEE???? LMAO!!!!!
