The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance
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The Democratic Party's Slide Into Irrelevance

Attaching a poll ... Dems unfavorability rating increased from 45% to 57% during the Biden Administration.

03 February 2025 at 11:49 PM
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by chillrob m

Didn't Fetterman run as a party conservative candidate?

Fetterman was the sitting lieutenant governor of Pennsylvania and ran against the horrendous candidate Dr. Oz, who turned off a lot of swing voters by being a carpetbagger not even living in the state.

As sitting lieutenant governor, Fetterman was going to be tough to beat in a primary for any other Democrat.


by Nut Nut m

Progressive House Democrat Ro Khanna called for Chuck Schumer to resign, citing his inability to control his caucus and abandon the health insurance issue in agreeing to reopen the government.

I think the people who are vetting new Dem Senate candidates like Fetterman who deceived the voters in their campaigns should all be blackballed.

I think Ro Khanna and Fetterman politically are different but I like the both. Schumer should go he is just to old . I am not sure how anyone thought they should keep the fight as Trump was never going to cave .

Politics is strange were you see folks liking Fetterman and Ro and than you got MTG speaking sanity as well on health care and cost of living

The Dems need policies not Trump Bad , Jan 6 th bad , They need to be for strong borders and be able to answer a simple question like Should men compete against women in sports with a resounding NO

They also need to say if Obamacare needs subsidies to be affordable we need to look at new options


by lozen m

They also need to say if Obamacare needs subsidies to be affordable we need to look at new options

lol, yer kidding, right?


“Concepts of new options”


by Nut Nut m

Progressive House Democrat Ro Khanna called for Chuck Schumer to resign, citing his inability to control his caucus and abandon the health insurance issue in agreeing to reopen the government.

I think the people who are vetting new Dem Senate candidates like Fetterman who deceived the voters in their campaigns should all be blackballed.

by King Spew m

lol, yer kidding, right?

Your healthcare system is broken and needs fixing even with Obamacare . You could start with

Medicare and Medicaid able top negotiate all drugs
Transparency in all hospital billing ie set what they can charge on many items


That, of course, is not the point.

Have a workable system BEFORE pulling the rug out from underneath the people that depend on the current system.

Heartless, no empathy for you (Soup) Nazi


Yeah, let's just take away healthcare from the majority and maybe we might talk about something else sometime (but not really).


by King Spew m

That, of course, is not the point.

Have a workable system BEFORE pulling the rug out from underneath the people that depend on the current system.

Heartless, no empathy for you (Soup) Nazi

by biggerboat m

Yeah, let's just take away healthcare from the majority and maybe we might talk about something else sometime (but not really).

I never said end Obamacare but make it better so its actually affordable


by lozen m

I never said end Obamacare but make it better so its actually affordable

But you also said to end the subsidies and “pass a clean cr.” Thus making it less affordable, without any other plan to implement in the mean time.

You see the issue, here?


by lozen m

I never said end Obamacare but make it better so its actually affordable

I believe you and I are somewhat on the same page on this issue.

But, yeah, that has been the problem all along. The dems put something out there that was imperfect for sure. But the republicans, instead of trying to make it better, have been on a mission to completely destroy it. It appears as if they will succeed I believe.

We need single payer. Period. Unfortunately that won't happen. The republicans simply don't care. They are the party of the oligarchs and since oligarchs can afford their own private doctors they don't really want any of the wealth of our nation put to that use. It would slow down the funneling to them.


by Nut Nut m

Fetterman was elected in Pennsylvania.

Manchin is the right wing Democrat from WV.

Ugh, I had those two guys merged in my mind.


by lozen m

I never said end Obamacare but make it better so its actually affordable

Why is this essentially off the table for the Repubs?


Article in today's NYT about the gerontocracy in the Dem Senate caucus that abandoned the health insurance crisis to reopen the government ..... less than a week after the party's demonstration of a little spine propelled them to victories in last week's elections.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/10/us/po...

The article speaks to the gerontocrats that Schumer has lined up to challenge for open Senate seats in 2026.

That's the corrupt process which needs addressing ..... the process by which the DSCC and the oligarchy acts as gatekeeper for the people who even have a chance to represent the Dems in Congress. The people who put the Sinema's and Fetterman's out there to lie in their campaigns in order to get elected and then govern as pawns for the oligarchy.

I hope AOC runs against Schumer next year. The sooner we can get Boomers and their elders out of government, the sooner we can transition to leaders who aren't out of touch with the concerns of young people.


by Nut Nut m

Article in today's NYT about the gerontocracy in the Dem Senate caucus that abandoned the health insurance crisis to reopen the government ..... less than a week after the party's demonstration of a little spine propelled them to victories in last week's elections. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/10/us/po...The article speaks to the gerontocrats t

I suspect Schumer would win the primary against AOC.

AOC would probably win NYC but would probably get trounced in the rest of the state imo.


by geezerchess m

I suspect Schumer would win the primary against AOC.

AOC would probably win NYC but would probably get trounced in the rest of the state imo.

There would need to be a debate and a contest of ideas and policy.

What does Schumer have to offer which inspires real people to support him ? He's a thoroughly mediocre and uninspiring leader. Not at all popular .... even among Democrats.


by Nut Nut m

There would need to be a debate and a contest of ideas and policy.

What does Schumer have to offer which inspires real people to support him ? He's a thoroughly mediocre and uninspiring leader. Not at all popular .... even among Democrats.

If it was debates about policy, Sanders would have been the Democrat nominee in both 2016 and 2020 instead of Clinton and Biden.

AOC successfully won her house seat with an effective grassroots campaign that caught the Establishment by surprise.

The big $$$ in the party wants nothing to do with progressives.

If AOC can run an effective statewide grassroots campaign, she can win. I just don't personally see that happening given the current Donor Class (TM Pending) effectively running the party right now.

addendum: Also I don't see Schumer or AOC losing to any Republican if either does get the nomination. The Donor Class might support AOC if it is evident that Schumer can't win the GE. I just don't see that happening.


by Nut Nut m

The people who put the Sinema's and Fetterman's out there to lie in their campaigns in order to get elected and then govern as pawns for the oligarchy.

I live in Pennsylvania. As I said earlier, Fetterman was the sitting lieutenant governor. That is revisionist history to say the Dems should have just ran someone else to beat him in the primary.


by Bored5000 m

I live in Pennsylvania. As I said earlier, Fetterman was the sitting lieutenant governor. That is revisionist history to say the Dems should have just ran someone else to beat him in the primary.

I think we're debating different things.

I'm saying that Fetterman lied to the public during his campaign about how he would govern. I don't think he won the Democratic nomination running as a Trump enabler.


https://www.facebook.com/reel/1707948080...

Jon Stewart ripping the Dems about caving on their entire reason for the shutdown. A stance that was immensely popular with the public.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...

The knives are out for Schumer and they are appropriate IMO.

I'm not pro-GOP, but I applaud them for their willingness to allow a bloody intra-party brawl to decide on Trump in 2016. He called Ted Cruz "Lying Ted" and took on the GOP establishment.

The Dems didn't do that. The establishment reign has continued in their party. They blackballed the populists. They gave Hillary complete control of the DNC in 2016 and they didn't support Bernie after he won the first 3 states in 2020. They anointed Kamala in 2024 with no competition and the corporate media is already aligning around Newsom for his performative pushback against Trump which is not accompanied by a populist policy platform.

Survival of the fittest means a fight to the death. Someone has to come in and kill the Democratic establishment. We need an alpha leftist populist with a dominant instinct. FDR had the gravitas in 1932. The Dems need to be more than just "Trump and the GOP are bad" ..... they need to sell their virtue.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...

But he (Sanders) offered a less-than-ringing endorsement of the top Senate Democrat, who Sanders said belongs to the party's "corporate wing." Sanders also said "it goes deeper than Schumer."

He's absolutely right. The rot is deep and entrenched.

The Dems need a leftist bully to beat the crap out of the establishment and drive them out of the party. We need a Blue MAGA.


You can't say the Democratic party is irrelevant. It has a function. They are there to create the illusion of resistance to pro corporate policies and the illusion of an alternative political faction. They are actually pretty good at that. Go up to people talking about forming a third party. You will find it is ingrained in their heads that it is totally impossible. The Democrats job is much harder than the Republicans in our WWE style politics. The Republicans get to go full bore. They are usually the scripted winners. The Democrats have to play the weak and wounded and try to finesse all their decisions to gut the prospects for the majority of Americans.

That would suck to be a Democratic lawmaker, making up stories about how you can't do anything and you're sorry but, sigh, it has to be this way. For example it would take a ton of money to get me to lie to people about how the parliamentarian is actually the controller of all America. I don't think I could do it. I couldn't stay in that character long enough to do the job.


by Deuces McKracken m

You can't say the Democratic party is irrelevant. It has a function. They are there to create the illusion of resistance to pro corporate policies and the illusion of an alternative political faction. They are actually pretty good at that. Go up to people talking about forming a third party. You will find it is ingrained in their heads that it is totally impossible. The Democra

I'm sad to say that I find your description of Democratic Congress members to offer a credible hypothesis about what they are. Actors playing a scripted role which feigns opposition while being complicit. It's difficult to imagine any genuine opposition finding a way to be so consistently impotent.

In my opinion, if found guilty, the people guilty of such behavior should eventually be charged with treason by a future government.

In the current era, oligarchs choose congress people the way farmers choose dogs to herd sheep. But instead of herding animals, they use them to herd gullible people into their tribal pens ..... Democrats vs Republicans ...... which is just a theatrical contrast .... not a substantive one.


by Nut Nut m

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1707948080...

Jon Stewart ripping the Dems about caving on their entire reason for the shutdown. A stance that was immensely popular with the public.

I agree with him this wasn’t 8 folks breaking away . Schumer gave the go ahead .
As much as I said just pass a clean CR I thought the Dems were winning and Trump was getting pissed at the senate for not ending the filibuster


by lozen m

I agree with him this wasn’t 8 folks breaking away . Schumer gave the go ahead .
As much as I said just pass a clean CR I thought the Dems were winning and Trump was getting pissed at the senate for not ending the filibuster

To be fair, Schumer himself voted NO on the Resolution.

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