AKo Oop vs a Station
1/2. Rake is 6+3+1. Table is full of calling stations.
V (covers) is a twenty-something loose-passive calling station VPIP 30/4/0. Over fifty orbits, he has opened twice preflop, first to 7, then 10. He has bet postflop only twice. He won once at showdown after limping with KJo.
Hero (210) has a TAG image to V.
OTTH
Limp. V in the HJ opens 12. Folds to hero with AdKs in the BB. Hero bets 50. Limper folds. V calls.
Flop (95): Jc3h6d.
Hero?
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I’m not 3b this guy. Flat and go pair mining. As played I’m check folding as all he has in range is AK and better.
What OD said.
I’m going small here, like 25–30. Station’s range is super wide and weak, but he’s not folding any pair anyway. You’re just printing when you cbet small and get folds from all the random broadways and suited trash
So, literally less than a 1% RFI stat. Or AA, KK if V's feeling adventurous. And never ever 3!'ing. Or putting in money postflop, but often calling. Feels like a thought experiment versus a real hand, but OK.
Don't bet into this guy unless you hit your six-outer (and really, a four-outer) I guess. Then lose to trip Kings or Aces.
Tbh, I want to fold AKo pre, if this is my exact read. We're hoping to spike an Ace while V has Kings? Seems thin.
For everyone saying flat pre, what about the limper? I don’t remember the V, but he open limped this hand, and the table was full of stations. If hero calls, hero has to play fit or fold on the flop, right?
V (covers) is a twenty-something loose-passive calling station VPIP 30/4/0. Over fifty orbits, he has opened twice preflop, first to 7, then 10. He has bet postflop only twice.
What actions/positions were there when he opened to 7 and 10? Do we know what were the cards he had when raising?
Limp. V in the HJ opens 12. Folds to hero with AdKs in the BB. Hero bets 50. Limper folds. V calls.
I think you could realistically argue for fold pre. ... AKo OOP vs. a 4% range (at best).
NOTE: 4% is roughly: AQs+,AK+,TT+ ... and I doubt he's opening TT, and a good chance not JJ/AQs either.
Also the open to 12 instead of 10 or 7 could just be him sizing up because of calls ... but could also be "lol, I haz KK+ let's raise bigger".
Don't attack that range by playing AKo.
You can maybe bet small, but given he doesn't bet post and is likely to call TT anyway ... check seems like it's way better.
I meant fifty hands. Sorry. To fold, wouldn't hero need a larger sample size to confirm V's unusually low RFI?
I think you could realistically argue for fold pre. ... AKo OOP vs. a 4% range (at best).
NOTE: 4% is roughly: AQs+,AK+,TT+ ... and I doubt he's opening TT, and a good chance not JJ/AQs either.
So, literally less than a 1% RFI stat.
Tbh, I want to fold AKo pre, if this is my exact read. .
In the hand, I did not range him so narrowly. It was only after the hand that I went over V’s betting history in my mind. Fifty hands, two raises. Did I miss one when I went to the bathroom? Did I miss another because I got distracted by the dirty twenty-four year old wearing the "I Love Small Titties" T-shirt ? If I missed two open-raises and V's VPIP was 34/8/0, should hero still call? I pay good attention at the table but do sometimes miss hands.
I wrote above he was a calling station, but he only called small bets multiway. I was the only player who had 3bet on the table in 50 hands. I did not want to call and go multiway oop.
I'm actually laughing now. Yep, twice in 50 orbits is going to turn out a little different than twice in 50 hands.
3! as normal, you're probably flipping or in the lead versus a modified 5-6% range. (I'm giving V JJ+, ATs, AJo. Too loose?)
"V bet postflop only twice," J63r, no real draw besides our overs, V probably didn't hit this either. We're not likely to hit our overcards, V sounds pretty passive, so I guess the questions are: 1) Is V going to be sticky if you overbet this flop? 2) Is V going to let you know if they caught a pair with this J?
A x-r attempt might do both. Worse that happens, is V bombs flop and we lolfold. Or V checks back, we get to draw for free, and try a delayed cbet on turn. Tiny stab by V, raise big, and see if they wilt.
(I thought the 24 year old with the tee was you? ROFL...)
Even if it was only 50 hands, our read is still that he's loose-passive, rarely raising, and we notice he limped with KJ, and he's sizing up with his open size, and we'll be playing OOP from the BB, off a shortish starting stack...
I mean...it's okay to smooth call in the BB with AKo, even with the limper in there. Would we rather go to the flop with a 5.5 SPR or a 1.5 SPR?
With the nut no-pair, I'd rather call off the other $10 than stick in another $48 knowing we're never ahead if he calls, and might be drawing close to dead.
I understand wanting to fold against this guy. I'm not folding AK here, ever, but I'm probably over-defending my BB at low stakes.
Yeah 2 raises in 50 orbits is very significant, in 50 hands not as much. I would still just flat especially since he sized up from his other opens.
Call is fine pre. But 3bet is not so egregious or anything. I just played a sesh where I raised twice in 50 hands. As played just check.
Results
Limp. V in the HJ opens 12. Folds to hero with AdKs in the BB. Hero bets 50. Limper folds. V calls.
Flop (95): Jc3h6d.
Hero? Hero checks. V bets 50. Hero folded. V mucks.
A few years ago I would have lost my stack here, so I am happy how I played it.
You played it fine.
Seems fine. Could consider just calling preflop if you think this guy’s RFI range is really only top 4%. Against loose passive, you will likely be able to check down and win a lot. Loose means their range is too wide and weak (ie will rarely make a strong hand). Passive means they’re not going to bluff enough or bet thinly enough for value. You can comfortably fold when you miss and they bet