3-way 3! pot with weird dynamic

Seems fine, folding the river. I think OMC has us beat for the main pot and V1 is quite likely to have a King or even trips. If he's 3.3x overbet bluffing the side pot, more power to him.

At these stack sizes after this many limpers, if we're raising I think we either want to raise huge to actually have a chance at narrowing the field or raise very small to simply juice the pot. I would actually just overlimp (TT vs 99 being my line in the sand, but that's me).

I guess I'm ok with the sigh overcall facing the 3bet.

Think I'm ok with a flop bet when it comes to us although I probably bet smaller.

Also checking back turn.

With the bulk of the pot being protected by the old man, let alone this guy not bluffing at the frequency he should be at the best of times, I pretty much sigh fold to almost any river bet.

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Well played so far. River is comfortable fold for that sizing, it's not quite a dry side pot. V2 wins the main pot an awful lot though. Definitely folding for 200, maybe 100 as well, you're hoping he's got frisky again and then calls flop multiway with AQ or pure air.

Played fine. I fold river w/o a soul read.

Grunch:

PRE - How many limpers is "a few"? I'd almost certainly raise to a larger size over 3 or 4 limpers. At least $25, and maybe $30 or even $35 depending on the table dynamic.

When V1 3B's you, and V2 cold calls...V2 definitely isn't folding for another $45, but I kind of want to 4B here. I don't think V1's OOP 3x raise over your smallish open over 3-4 limps screams "monster". More likely he thinks you're FOS and is 3B'ing you light.

FLOP - I'm not sure why we're stabbing at this, or why we're using this sizing. I'd think we'd be okay checking it back, or betting smaller, like 1/3 pot, or even just $45, enough to put V2 all in. Alternatively, I suppose we could go huge to rep TX, and pot it, but that's pretty high variance.

Obviously no one is folding a T here. V1 isn't folding any JJ+ if he has those hands. Maybe we can fold out some un-paired over-cards. Other than Tx, it's hard for us to credibly rep a big hand here. We're not likely to have 22, or QQ+ when we just over-call the $60 3B pre.

I'd probably just check it back or bet really small, just $45, and fold if V1 x/r's. I think we may benefit from having a protected main pot and a dry side pot, in that V1 really shouldn't attempt a bluff on a later street once V2 is all-in.

TURN - as played, I guess check back. I'm not sure what we accomplish by betting now, or what size we'd want to take.

RIVER - yuck. If V1 is risking $200 to win the $60 in the side pot with a hand worse than ours, good for him. He shouldn't be betting worse than KX here, I'd think.

Seems like a pretty straightforward fold in this spot.

Flop should be smaller. Fold river.

Result: I fold V1 has AQo, V2 has AKo

If you bet here you’re only getting called by better and folding out worse. Zero value. Easy check/fold.

think flop x might be best given he can conceviably x range to have short stack jam and put in sandwich, also think 30 (half of v2 stack) is signif better than 75

22 is half and I agree that’s the sizing to use.

Also for him to bluff this river means he doesn’t understand the old man always has him beat.

The mistake wasn't folding river, it was c-betting the flop, especially for such a large size.

I wonder if there's a world in which V2 calls off the rest of his money on the flop with AJ or worse, and this bet is +EV when hero folds 99 or lower PP's, and V1 scoops. It certainly doesn't look like hero is very strong here, when he checks back the turn K that brings in the BDFD.

Standard fold on river. Villain play is quite spewy.

If we think he is cbetting worse 2p and this kind of stuff, sure call.

That’s clearly what he was hoping for but V2 is just gonna show up with big hands.

What I was / am wondering is if V's bet is +EV.

Yes, I understand that V2 is going to have AK often enough. But V2 was getting pretty good odds to call pre-flop, and he got 7:1 on the flop. It's not crazy to think V2 calls off the rest on the flop with AJ or worse AX, hoping for the best.

If V2's range is AK plus some other AX hands V1 can beat with AQ, and hero's range is PP's below the K that will scoop if the river goes check-check, but will fold when V1 bets $200, then V1 is risking $200 to potentially win $375 sometimes with the best ace-high, win just the $60 side pot sometimes, and rarely if ever will he actually lose the $200 when hero checks back the Ks turn.

I get that in theory, it's spew to bluff into a small side pot. But hero looks pretty capped when he opens for a small size pre, flats the 3B, stabs on the flop, and then checks back the turn. It's almost a free-roll for V, if he can figure out that hero is going to be folding a ton here.

V2 is described as an OMC, he just doesn’t have AJ in this spot unless OP doesn’t know what OMC means.

Hero will check back enough AK and AA that V1’s river bluff is a punt.

V1s river bluff is very bad.

It's not just bluffing, H should not be betting much into the dry side pot for similar reasons. Like I don't think H should bet turn with AK (if H has it).

If H is betting all Kx on turn, it's maybe fine ... as long as people don't expect you to spew bluff, and people correctly fold JJ/99 anyway.

You're both touching on a salient point that I was trying to get at - once hero c-bets the flop and creates the side-pot, I think enough low-stakes players will barrel the turn with value and even some high-equity bluffs that V might deduce that his river bet is almost a free-roll, because hero's check-back range on the Ks turn is going to be made up of hands that fold to the river bet.

The guy behind you plays a 15% of hands. That's broadway plus pairs. Preflop calling that take out the smallest pairs that' his range. If you call, he has to spend $200 to make $700. He's already called preflop and called flop. He's got something. He's calling at a minimum. He's got JJ, QQ, KK, AA (the latter two he just calls to keep you in) or possibly some broadway with a 10.

That's assuming that you beat a maniac who's betting 2/3 pot into two people.

Fold.